Curators of Sweden
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"I like discussion, debate, and reasoned criticism. But a lot of arguments aren’t any of those things. They’re the style I describe as ethnic tension, where you try to associate something you don’t like with negative affect so that other people have an instinctive disgust reaction to it.
There are endless sources of negative affect you can use. You can accuse them of being “arrogant”, “fanatical”, “hateful”, “cultish” or “refusing to tolerate alternative opinions”. You can accuse them of condoning terrorism, or bullying, or violence, or rape. You can call them racist or sexist, you can call them neckbeards or fanboys. You can accuse them of being pseudoscientific denialist crackpots.
If you do this enough, the group gradually becomes disreputable. If you really do it enough, the group becomes so toxic that it becomes somewhere between a joke and a bogeyman. Their supporters will be banned on site from all decent online venues. News media will write hit pieces on them and refuse to ask for their side of the story because ‘we don’t want to give people like that a platform’. Their concerns will be turned into bingo cards for easy dismissal. People will make Facebook memes strawmanning them, and everyone will laugh in unison and say that yep, they’re totally like that. Anyone trying to correct the record will be met with an “Ew, gross, this place has gone so downhill that the [GROUP] is coming out of the woodwork!” and totally ignored."
Sorry that your safe space and bubble bursted.
> The discussion in these comments is embarrassing (and I'm not even Swedish).
> Apparently the mere mention of Sweden was enough to make local politics spill over here. It's like watching a post about a weather app getting overrun by climate change denialists.
That's the entirety of it.
Did you know that Sweden's main export is not lumber or steel but in fact white guys with beards who think they are hilarious?
Sweden is also among the world leaders in exporting ISIS terrorists. Believe it or not. http://swedenreport.org/2015/02/04/more-isis-fighters-from-o...
In fact a native Swede "Islamophobia Expert" joined ISIS and is attempting to recruit others. wtf?
http://www.thelocal.se/20150203/swedish-islamist-convert-in-...
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/251905/swedens-multicultur...
I don't have time to look through many of these tweets, but I imagine there are a number of things the authors refrain from mentioning.
I've found this blog http://swedenreport.org to detail some shocking things that have transpired in Sweden in the past years that those tweets probably bypass.
From the author's About page:
[...]
The purpose of this blog is to highlight some of the news stories that don’t show up under the International News-section of your newspaper, yet might be of interest for your investment decisions, understanding of politics in the Nordic region, or perhaps just your vacation plans.
[...]
About me: I was born and raised in Sweden, but moved to USA as a young adult in 1999. I acquired naturalized American citizenship 2007. In recent years I had to relocate back to Sweden for family reasons, only to discover that much had changed in my absence.
I am not affiliated with any political party in either country. I hold a B.S. in Finance and an A.S. in Accounting from Excelsior College, New York.
(I have no connection with that blog, or the author, other than having read some of it with astonishment)
The author of [1] sounds really biased, given the fact that he writes about how people can't read or write, while studies[2] seem to prove that it about where the US is in that regard. What does the author blame for this?
"The minister of education is a man-boy who spends his time making Youtube-videos showing heart-signs"
That doesn't ound like a decent analysis of the Swedish Education.
Also the author seems to be overly afraid of other people and cultures coming to Sweden.
"Having said that, what Sweden is doing is something completely different. The once homogenous population has been forever altered by a rapid and massive addition of people from vastly different cultures and value-systems."
Comparing with the US again: It was built on that.
Another quote:
"As a result, personal debt of the Swedish population is at an all-time high."
It is for sure not the financial crisis, the European debt crisis?
I am not saying that everything that person says is wrong. I am pretty sure there are some valid points in this, but as a source it is really bad and to be fair: At least all economists I've ever met seem to prefer the US (for whatever reason) over pretty much every other country. That's a bold statement and it's not proving anything at all, but given the fact that this article is based on a very subjective of argumentation and personal experience too I hope that I may.
Also I see that this blog post is a personal thing, not a study or whatsoever. I am not blaming that person for liking the US more or anything like that. I honestly hope that person gets happy there. However as a source that blog really doesn't seem to be reliable.
One more thing. I highly agree with one of the last sentences on there:
"But I won’t. I’ll be back in the US being mad at Obama for being a lying scumbag. Every country has its problems. "
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_St...
Also the author seems to be overly afraid of other people and cultures coming to Sweden.
I wouldn't call it overly afraid. To me he is just looking clear eyed at the hugely negative consequences the importation of this foreign culture has wrought.
And given current policies and demographics, there is the potential for things to get much worse. Here is Niall Ferguson on that, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE3fTzmdH04
To put it bluntly, what I most noticed on the blog, was the author's detailing of the hugely negative consequences that Muslim culture and behaviour is having on Swedish society. Yes, I know that is something many Swedes like to refrain from thinking about, let alone saying aloud.
P.S. When he mentioned the illiteracy rates, not sure which post, I rather doubt he was talking about native Swedes.
The rules of Curators of Sweden stipulate that the
curators are free to write whatever they want. Tweets
will only be deleted if:
they violate Swedish law;
they promote a commercial brand;
they are a security threat.
Curators of Sweden, has to do with Sweden, specifically the curation or portrayal of Sweden. i.e. "The big picture."
My post also has to do with Sweden, specifically the fact that there is a lot going on in Sweden that is rarely mentioned in official channels and also unlikely to be found in Curators of Sweden, but it is vitally important that more people become aware of.
"Take care and remember to not have sex with racists, sexists or LGBTQ-phobes!"
That has got to be worth at least 100 goodness points and should score him some young, cute and immature leftist girls. Welcome to the social do goodie economy.
Curators of Sweden are essentially hive-mind of the same types of people over and over except only at one point, we had a person who was liberal (not left-wing) and people shat their pants.
Another thing to add is the most vile racist Swedes I've grown to meet are usually left-wing extreme (mainstream today) "anti-racists". You're approved as long as you agree with their narratives, until you don't and branded as an uncle Tom (though they use a different word that starts with house) and more often not also called "fascist".
A perfect example of this actually happened today as a politician from Folkpartiet (The Liberal Party) got booed as she was talking on an event about supporting refugees. Her name is Birgitta Ohlsson and has fought a lot for LGBTs, refugees and to even open the borders.
Swedes really watered down the word racist. Sorta like how everyone in Soviet was a fascist. Kinda funny how I've grown to tolerate the Swedish Democrats in comparison.
Seeing people like Nalin Pekgul, Sakine Madon, Hanna Gadban, Sarah Mohammed and Alice Teodorescu being called racist pretty much did it for me.
Just this week the largest daily newspaper (Dagens Nyheter) decided to out the identity of an anonymous high-profile blogger (a 70 year old woman) who was critical of the current immigration scheme. The main reason they did it was as a form of punishment. This was made clear in their reporting.
Also, I am not sure if "critical of the current immigration scheme" is an appropriate label for someone that has stated that "Those that allow this to happen to Sweden should not have a single moment of peace. Those that with open eyes and at a steady pace are betraying our country. Those that not only allow but encourage and carry out the import of unidentified murderers, war criminals, and terrorists - thus making Swedes potential victims of murder, rape, and other violence." [2] (my translation). She has the right to express those opinions, but I think that "critical", in this case, may be an understatement and that she may deserve another label.
[1]: http://www.svd.se/expressen-rojer-anonym-bloggare (Swedish)
[2]: http://www.expressen.se/kultur/hon-ar-julia-caesar/ (Swedish)
Lets not kid ourselves here that that she wasn't being silenced with a hit-job. The things they did against her would have been harassment against any other person.
She's also somewhat right. Sweden let the gas-maker for Saddam stay [0], has yet to prosecute any of the returning ISIS rapists. Not to mention lied about the numbers. SÄPO said 100, but hospital records claims of over 300 - some has gone back again after som R&R.[1]
She's right to be angry at the decision makers. I don't care about her opinion itself, but she's not wrong in terms of Sweden letting murderers, war criminals and terrorists come back.
Last week it turns out someone responsible for Rwanda has been living in Sweden for 13 years without any issues.[2] He got prosecuted because they won't piss off any voters by doing so.
I will personally never forgive Sweden and the people in charge betraying innocent lives abroad, for not pissing off certain groups of voting cattle here. [3]
I stand with Caesar even though I don't agree with her as much as you'd like to think. You have to agree she was being silenced by the 'elite'.
[0]: http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/jag-jobbade-at-saddam/ (Swedish)
[1]: http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/vast/hundratals-svenskar... (Swedish)
[2]: http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/man-i-mellansverige-gripen-f... (Swedish)
The people just as betrayed or more so by the people making these decisions are these people's fellow Swedish countrymen. What these governments and people pushing this agenda of what I assume they believe is big-heartedness or something, but with a willful blindness to the consequences have done is just ghastly and absurd.
There are frequent bombings in Malmö, often directed at Jews. The bombings appear to be spreading, just last month apparently, there was a blast in Billesholm in northern Skåne. https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/08/01/sweden-musli... I'm fairly certain these things didn't occur say 30 years ago, much less frequently.
Then also in the past 30 years, Sweden has skyrocketed up the charts to lead the world in rape and school arson attacks.
Great job Swedish Government!
1. Had been following her home, spying on her outside of her home.
2. Had public personas, with their phone numbers plastered all over the web (in one of the cases, 89 times in his official twitter feed).
As a revenge and punishment for speaking out against the "thought police", the newspaper decided to destroy her. (Even though 50% of the population agrees with her, noone is able to talk like this without penalty in Sweden today. If you have some sort of official position, you will lose it, and so on. You will even get expelled from your union club.)
News are not reported any longer, only feelings.
I agree it's pointless emotion, when 400 000 people have already died by foreign islamic invaders and Assad.
If they genuinely cared, these Swedes they would have tried to stop ISIS and/or Assad. But that doesn't generate votes only "anti-war" protests.
Funny, no anti-war protests against Russia helping Assad. That's Swedes for you.
Apparently the mere mention of Sweden was enough to make local politics spill over here. It's like watching a post about a weather app getting overrun by climate change denialists.
So... in an essence... we're becoming Americans. We have two parties.
For a while now the racist parts of the population has been rather outspoken. I guess feeling that their opinions has finally been legitimized with a far-right party winning seats in parliament and all that.
At the same time the rest of the population has been rather quiet. I guess not knowing exactly what to make of it. No one seems to have been prepared for it. After all, the official, and somewhat internalized, image of Swedish culture and identity has been that those opinions had no place in civilized society, and thus shouldn't be dignified with actual response.
The last few days, the refugee situation seems to have been a rallying point around taking back this identity. Resulting in a few days with more then usual activity of emotional manifestations.
That said, I was rather surprised to have to witness this on HN and must say I feel rather ashamed my self.
On behalf of Sweden: I'm sorry you had to witness that.
Edit: Down vote? Guess I should expect that for letting my own opinions on the matter shine through. But really, I was just trying to provide some context for interpreting the other posts in this thread.
Not my words, but our former Prime-ministers, aaaand I sorta agree with him after growing up here in several suburbs and living abroad as well.
[0]: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Det_sovande_folket#cite_note-:...
(Reply to below: It is precisely the fact that the head of the bar association is prepared to speak openly about the abuse of process that I requested her. Until Sweden comes to terms with its totalitarian changes, of which the Assange abuses are but one, it wins no time or empathy from me.)
(Reply to second: If you consider the outright illegality and abuse of process that has been used against Assange 'a pop issue', your worldview is twisted. As for 'another issue', I hardly think twitter flourishes earn the title, which traditionally implies some ounce of gravity.)
In any case, she has actually made some comments regarding the case. Primarily in Swedish media, but a quick search yielded a few articles such as this one: http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/feb/25/julian-assange-...
> Swedish legal opinion at a senior level has swung against the prosecutor’s decision not to travel to London to interview Assange, with Anne Ramberg, head of the Bar Association, calling the current impasse a “circus”.
> “It would of course after such a long time be sensible for the prosecutor to determine whether to prosecute,” she said. “The Assange story has become a less than flattering adventure not only for the English courts’ handling of the case, but also for the Swedish prosecutor.”