Fedora 23 Beta released
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The workstation build they have worked on for a few releases now was a real boon.
Just like OSX, I just get on with it, and I don't notice it.
CentOS was packaged and shipping (I know it wasn't redhat owned, but they are binary compatible, right?) with the elliptic curve options enabled.
I'm still running Fedora 21 on my machine at home, I've been using Fedup to upgrade since Fedora 17 and it's still working! but this has caused enough doubt about their intentions that I may end up replacing my distro.
If you don't like it, change US law.
Sure, but if I was "Tom "spot" Callaway" I'd lose my patience a bit. If things are bunged up in legal what's he to do. I thought he did a reasonable job of trying to keep the bug report on-topic whilst fending off the tin foil hatters and some generally quite rude individuals adding nothing to that thread.
It's just legal fear. It may be justified or not (probably not, as this feature is now enabled), but I don't see the reason to invoke malice.
Why the tinfoil hattery? This is hardly the first time Fedora has refused to ship patent-encumbered software and it won't be the last.
as an aside: 6 YEARS is an insane lead time to check the patents usability.
Does anyone know if OpenSSL was intentionally crippled in CentOS at the time of this thread?
I'm actually mildly surprised there's not an unofficial "spin" that addresses these IP-related limitations the way various distros like Mint address various Ubuntu pain points.
The most likely problems are simply dependencies getting out of sync, which results in a) updates not applying and b) an uninstallable nightly state — not actually a broken system.
We're working (slowly — we've got a decade of inertia) on an automated system to move updates which break this consistency to a "side tag", so they can be worked on without breaking the main tree. And possibly in the future we can actually have a similar thing with automated functional testing (but... don't hold your breath). (Also, shout-out to openSUSE, where they're already doing a lot of this.)
Of course, as with any "rolling release", you have "oh look, the UI of my software is different today".
I've been very happy with Fedora and Gnome 3 since the latter hit 3.12 or so. There are still some edge cases like the ability to snap windows to corners that I really think should be addressed but otherwise I'm a happy camper.
People get manipulated very easily . If you want privacy you should not use any ubuntu/fedora like distro , use something like tail or fsf approved distro. But if you don't care about privacy and stil you criticizing canonical for mir you are just another guy manipulated in linux community about redhat being cool and canonical being evil.
If you want stability and long term support then consider CentOS or Scientific Linux.
That said, the last seven Fedora releases have been totally stable for me both running inside Virtualbox and on bog standard Dell hardware with nvidia GeForce GPU's. I guess YMMV depending on how exotic your hardware is, but that's my general experience with Linux full stop (or any desktop OS for that matter, Windows too).
Ubuntu/LTS supports most hardware without all the instability and I was merely pointing out that there isn't such an option with Fedora and many people find that a non starter.
I settled on CentOS and Fedora because I mostly buy Dell kit and by and large it's always worked with little or no fuss, even brand new laptops which are often a friction point. CentOS is also our production distro at work, so it makes sense for me.
That said I've built a brand new machine from components (Core i5 Devil's Canyon on an Asus Z97-K mobo with an Asus GeForce GTX 750 Ti graphics card - not exactly bleeding edge, but still fairly new spec -wise for me) so I'm going to see how well CentOS & Fedora get on with that.
[1] https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata
Many packagers aren't even coders — they're sysadmins or end-users who needed the software packaged up — and if the bug is in the upstream code rather than the _packaging_, they may not be properly qualified. They _should_ help the user negotiate the process of getting a fix from upstream, but sometimes that's hard too when the packager can't reproduce.
For some packages, bugs are a firehose. Triaging alone can be a full-time job. We've had some efforts at triage teams, but those have generally died out due to burnout. (Help wanted if you have any ideas, though.)
Maybe I'll give Fedora 23 beta a shot.
With Mint, everything works straight out of the box - except for dual monitors, which was a cinch to set up. Great distro.
Absolutely painless all around and XFCE 4.12 is a nice little upgrade just gentle improvement all around but functionally the same.
For the 'just do stuff' laptop, I find xfce4 reassuringly gradualist. I'm using version 4.10 with whisker-menu bound to Mod4-space, and with the panel brought down to the bottom of the screen. I hand this laptop to students who are used to Windows and they have no problems with the navigation at all. Slackware as underlying OS but almost any of the larger distros will package a full xfce4 desktop session.
My main machine is still Windows 7 (about to be 10) because I spend 50% of my day inside Visual Studio/SQL Server/IIS, and we still use Exchange (therefore Outlook) and Word...etc. Also for the life of me I still cannot get Fortigate's VPN client (essential because I'm a remote worker) to play nice with Linux yet, otherwise I'd probably switch and virtualise my Windows bits. I know the Linux OpenVPN stuff should work with our VPN hardware but I've never worked out which knobs to to dial, maybe a project for the weekend.
Gnome is a product of the Gnome project, it just happens to be the default desktop shipped by Fedora, and I guess they had to pick one at some point in the mists of time.
I ran KDE across three versions of Fedora (18,19 and 20), I didn't encounter any problems each time I upgraded or updated.
I don't see the logic or reasoning behind your complaint.
I've been using Linux since the 90's. Generally, if you don't go with the default desktop you lose things. Important things like the entire UI for your package manager. So, to me it's like putting a dingleberry on top of a really nice cone of ice cream.
Like a lot of people here I Fedup my system only thing I've noticed recently is yum->DNF change I'm too lazy to learn the new package manager and it keeps giving me a message that yum is depreciated I'm sure at some point I'll have to switch.
alias yum='dnf'