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But you, like the OP, fail to communicate exactly WHY this is a bad thing. You just take it for granted that your point stands on its own without an explanation.

Why NOT Java?

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Java is a fairly ugly OO system, basically. It's purely my opinion, of course, but not an uncommon one.

Since I don't have to use PHP I'm not too upset. I was really just lamenting the state of the world.

Same thing as before, you've stated it's ugly, but haven't given any specific examples of why you think this.

do we really need to see bad java examples to understand his opinion?

Just because a language is used to write bad code doesn't mean the language design itself is bad.

Exactly. I've seen beautifully written Java and I've seen (and written) ugly Java. The language syntax is by far the least contributing factor to the 'prettiness' of the code. With the exception of BF. :)

Yes. Just some general points or examples.

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