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Sure, we can have a perfectly reasonable debate as to whether or not lazy-by-default is the best choice for a language. I personally like the laziness, but if Scala, or Closure, or ML, or Elm, or maybe by some act of god COBOL "wins" by taking the good parts, that's fine.

But here, we have an article trying to make some concept approachable - some math, not tied to a specific language. Maybe it's hard for most to follow, since it assumes the readers knows what a monad is. That's fair, but it'd be the same if it were Scala.

The top comment here - and a significant number of the upvoted comments here, and on every similar article - are just baseless attacks against the idea that people should learn this. Not questions or technical discussion, just attempts to ostracize the part of the community that finds it valuable. It's anti-intellectualism, plain and simple. Maybe it's the terminology, or the syntax, or because articles didn't show the lock before giving the key, but it is what it is.

- Re: Hiring - JP Morgan may be doing layoffs somewhere, but I mentioned them because they made a "Hiring Haskell Devs" post within the last week.

Edit: Seriously, go re-read that top comment, from the condescending reference down to the assertion that it's all mental masturbation. In response to a post by a knowledgeable person trying to teach something useful to people who are interested. That's the top comment. Embarrassing.

>That's the top comment. Embarrassing.

My experience on HN has been that the top comment in most threads is usually the most incendiary one, not the "best" one.

> Worth noting that finance industry heavyweights such as JP Morgan and Standard Chartered (largest Haskell shop in the world) are laying off more than they're hiring these days[0][1], though unlikely this trend would directly affect tech hires (current batch of layoffs seem to be a trimming of management tier).

Indeed. Hiring of Haskellers continues apace at SC: https://twitter.com/donsbot/status/654630194519646208

> were Standard Chartered to open source their fork of GHC many Haskellers not sold on lazy-by-default would rejoice

It's not a fork of GHC. It's an entirely new compiler, called Mu.

Yes, the tech is eating the rest of the business. You need less people after you've turned a lot of the business into an API.

I've got four open positions at the moment.

JP Morgan may be laying people off but they had a hiring ad out on the Haskell subreddit <1 week ago [1] looking for help.

I don't think general layoffs at all correlate to language usage in this case (they didn't cut a Haskell team, specifically).

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/3re0kp/jpmorgan_ha...