Overstock.com Has $10M in Gold and Silver Hidden Somewhere in Utah
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I really hope they have thought about the implications of putting this sort of knowledge out there for the world to see.
I don't think they had a choice in the matter. Form 10-Q[0] are mandatory for public companies, and apparently precious metal holdings have to be listed. (The article links to Overstock's form 10-Q)
Sure, it's dumb for them to reveal that the precious metal is physically held in Utah, but then again they're a Utah-based company and gasoline is probably a scarce commodity in whatever apocalypse fantasy they're imagining, so it's not hard to put it together.
As far as weird CEO tendencies go, hoarding precious metals isn't really that big of a deal. Long-term, they aren't really losing money from it. They aren't earning much, either so I guess you can chock it up to a wash. But it beats the hell out of some other habits he could have; at least he isn't freaking out about blueberry distribution across muffins or something like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz_-k9qoYns
Now, replenishing the food stockpiles as food goes bad would be a huge waste of money unless we're talking about MREs that will last until the heat death of the universe. But if he tries to serve that to his employees, he might have a mutiny on his hands.
"Oh, look: 45% off a set of pans & pots at overstock.com, just one moment honey, how do we pay for it, the financial system has collapsed."
* Cook in it, clearly
* Use it as a shovel
* Sit on it
* Drink out of it, or eat out of it
* Use it as a toilet (might want two pots)
* Use it to collect fruits and berries you gather
* Use it to collect rainwater
* Conk people/animals/zombies over the head with it
* Sharpen the lip by rubbing it against some rocks and use it as a knife
* Use it as a helmet during the radioactive hailstorms
That's just what I've come up with in a few minutes of thinking. Other than conking you can't do any of the above with a gold brick.
Once you are a store you can sell basically anything. Right now they focus on certain things, no reason they can't switch to something else that's in demand.
Read "the gift" if you are interested. Barter is much rarer than adam smith thought and serious commerce was never based on it.
Wouldn't ammunition check those boxes and be intrinsically useful as well? Would also help defend the gold :)
There would probably a few currencies and exchange rates floating around. One of which would be gold.
How exactly will this work? Is USD still the unit of account for your salary, or does their employment contract state, "$X or X oz. gold at company's discretion."?
How do they expect to pay taxes? Is this even legal?
I don't see how this actually solves any perceived problems with the banking industry. Even if the banks go down for a period of time, you can still cut people/businesses a check. That's certainly easier for everyone involved than handing out gold doubloons on payday.
" in 2008 we came perilously close to banks not knowing who could accept counterparty risk,"
This goes to show how deft the Federal Reserve is. Lots of bad shit could have went down in 2008, but didn't.
I think the idea here is that if the banking system has collapsed, employees might eagerly accept gold in place of cheques, no matter what their contract says.
Recently Greece went through something like this on a much smaller scale (and with daily limits rather than a total collapse but it got quite close). Paying with gold was never even considered, people switched to cash in stead. It's not as if you're going to buy a bread or fill up your basket at the supermarket and expect to pay with gold, people will not be able to ascertain its value on the spot at the register.
Having $10M in cash in various currencies to hedge against the collapse of one currency or banking system would already be quite an act of paranoia, having it in gold is taking that to a completely different level. That's end-of-times level stuff, it means there is no more trust in any currency at all. Merchants in Greece would have been happy to take your cash if you had it.
There might be an argument for nuclear power stations and similar critical infrastructure companies to have such a stockpile, although even there (a) the military would probably step in, and (b) it's likely that Bouillon would be a more useful thing to stockpile than Bullion.
"Byrne said the company maintains a 30-day supply of food, and has a distribution system to pay and feed employees in case the banking and payments systems collapse."
Related example: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/19/american-world-war-ii-p...
Although the food is artificially scarce in that case, it shows that people value what's necessary for survival above trinkets when they're required to do so. Gold having value presupposes some amount of social cohesion.
That worked in Greece because they used the Euro, which meant that the currency was solvent based on its association with countries that had better credit than Greece itself.
If the US had a Greek-style loss of credibility, the dollar would surely take a massive hit, as its value lies solely on our credibility. Since we don't have a Germany to point to as the currency's savior, it's very possible that American vendors wouldn't accept cash (USD) and would prefer something that has value independent of governmental decree (precious metals).
Actually, it makes some sense (ignoring any irrationality in the fear itself): if its a fairly short-term problem that seems recoverable, you preserve your staff relations, and are ahead of competitors who either collapsed or wound down and now have to wind back up.
If its a longer-term problem, you have a hoard of valuables, a body of workers you can pay with those valuables, and you can pivot to a new business model. The initial set of workers may not be ideal for whatever that new model is ("warlords of Utah"?), but, again, you start out ahead of those that haven't prepared, and have some cushion to manage a transition.
If something were to happen I think food and survival gear would be more useful then cash, precious metal and bitcoin...
Also CEO is in fear of currency crash, is the cash in another currency? And it's weird to think that in a crazy melt down their employees would care about getting paid versus survival?
Gold has value because of tradition and scarcity, the available supply cannot be diluted. If shit hits the wall with banks it isn't going to be gold that is scarce, it is liquidity.
This happens all. the. time. The USD lost 33% of its real value between 1977 and 1981 while Gold increased in value in real terms by 65% during the same time period. USD itself has been reasonably stable since, but there's no guarantee that will continue.
I'm not a crazy goldbug, I don't think we should go around trading gold shavings with each other in our day-to-day lives, but it's an indisputable fact that Gold is an excellent hedge against financial and currency crises the likes of which happen somewhere in the world all the time. Hell, right now Russia is in a currency crisis where the Ruble has lost 50% of its value in less than two years.
You're talking about two different things. No one is disagreeing with the fact that gold is a fine hedge against local currency fluctuations. As you say that happens all the time.
The question is whether gold will have any significant value after some global cataclysmic event that is so extreme that it would literally drive the value of the worlds most dominant reserve currency to basically zero.
> This happens all. the. time.
No, it doesn't. About the only times its even approximately happened during or after the 20th Century to a national currency of a nation that had been a major world power within the preceding century have been a few cases to the losing side of major wars (and in those cases, prewar businesses are quite likely to lose their market and ability to operate as a result of the war and its loss, independently of the collapse of the currency.) It absolutely doesn't happen all the time.
History shows us otherwise. Every financial collapse or crisis has eventually ended, gold liquidity eventually returned, and those who'd held gold instead of paper assets weathered the storm exceedingly well.