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When that "fresh" OJ has a fraction of the nutritional benefits of the real thing, is it even the same thing?

EDIT: https://www.google.com/search?q=nutritional+value+of+jurice+... (Change Juice type to Orange

The claim that deoxygenated orange juice has a fraction of the nutritional benefits of hand-squeezed juice is an assertion that needs to be backed up with evidence, not blindly assumed.

I charge you with the opposite task- prove industrial orange juice is healthier than juice squeezed from an orange.

Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat.

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.

Aee ere ire l'acca fan fuggire

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.

Sorry. What game are we playing here?

Ab abusu ad usum non valet consequentia :)

Colloquial translation for those of you playing along at home:

The burden of proof lies with he who affirms not he who denies, since by the nature of things, he who denies cannot produce any proof.

(This is the classic statement of the presumption of innocence, and also one of the core principles in the dawn of Enlightenment era science, where it was adapted into our modern understanding of scientific skepticism.)

>That which is said in Latin seems deep.

Just because something is abused does not mean that a proper usage of the same is also wrong.

We're also attempting to communicate solely through well known quotations, which poses its own set of unique constraints.

I never realized Google do this themselves.

https://www.google.com/search?q=nutritional+value+of+jurice+... (change Juice type to Orange)

So we can see right off the bat the compared to Juice, oranges per unit volume have 12 times more dietary fiber, more vitamin A & C, almost 4 times more calcium.

That wasn't hard to find.

Fiber is not a nutrient; fiber is any part of a food which cannot be digested. It's no surprise that oranges have more pulp than orange juice.

As for micronutrients like vitamins, all of them can be destroyed by heat. All forms of cooking reduce the amount of vitamins in the food, and pasteurization is no exception. The trade-off is generally worth it, however, as it takes a fair amount of work to avoid enough foods that you end up with a deficiency, and the health benefits of killing the bacteria are so great.

Also, fruit juice has a lot of sugar in it; you don't want it to be too large a part of your diet anyway.

That is the difference between eating a whole orange versus just drinking the juice. But what Niten asked was whether there is any difference between drinking freshly squeezed juice versus drinking pasteurized+stored juice. Can you find any sources discussing that question?

That's a comparison between whole oranges and orange juice, not a comparison between fresh orange juice and deoxygenated orange juice.

Do you have evidence for that? I prefer freshly squeezed juice because it tastes better, but processing like this allows for cheap juice to be available in large quantities year-round, which also has value.

> which also has value.

No it (i.e. orange juice) doesn't have meaningful value. It's like soda minus the bubbles.

Edit:

8oz of Coca-Cola contains 26g sugar: http://www.coca-colaproductfacts.com/en/coca-cola-products/c...

8oz of Tropicana orange juice contains 22g sugar: http://www.tropicana.com/products/tropicana_pure_premium/no_...

If you're concerned about your Vitamin C intake, try a multi-vitamin.

The same can be said for most juices, regardless of how recently they have been squeezed.

While I usually suggest drinking something that isn't full of sugar, I'm glad science and engineering has found ways to store juice for long periods without spoiling. These techniques can probably be used in other ares. Advances in science and technology often have wider benefits, often unexpected.

The only potential problem I see with the orange juice situation is labeling. More accurate labeling requirements keep markets honest, and the claim of being "freshly squeezed" factually wrong given any reasonable definition of "fresh".

Quite right, which is why I never drink juice, and suggest you don't either.

Or you drink juice mixed with a lot of water.

Often even the Schorle sold in stores has too much juice, average seems to be at 60%[1], I prefer more like 30%. In the recent years, 5% to 10% Schorle has become increasingly popular.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apfelschorle

I like how juice tastes when mixed with carbonated water, apple as well as orange. I usually just drink the carbonated water itself, though.

An interesting type of (approximately) zero sugar drink is mixing bitters with {,cabonated} water. In particular, a dash or two of Peychaud's Bitters in soda water is almost like a floral (gentian) "kool aid"-style drink without the excessive sweetness.

Forgive my inexperience with alcohol (I have never drunk it and I am not from the States), but bitters as defined here [1] seem to be alcoholic -- therefore a bad choice for anything but after hours, leisure drinking, right?

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitters#Cocktail_bitters

You only use a few drops. It's like vanilla extract - you use so little of it that the EtOH is insignificant.

"Value" doesn't necessarily mean "nutritional value". If it tastes good, it is valuable.

It all depends on your reason for drinking OJ in the first place. Maybe you, grecy, drink OJ primarily for the nutritional value of it. But i'll bet pounds to pennies that the average person drinks it primarily, and maybe only, because they enjoy the taste. And because the human body needs and craves fluids, of course.

It's not like HN readers invented the concept of eating healthy. Many people drink orange juice because they want something sweet but perceive orange juice as healthier than soda. This perception is false, but it's one of the biggest drivers of the juice industry.

There's not much nutritional benefit to actual fresh squeezed juice either. Current recommendations are don't bother, but restrict yourself to a small glass if you do, and only count 1 glass as one of your five a day, and more glasses don't count.

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