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Comment by oldmanjay | Hacker News Reader

What I find interesting is that you don't even try to justify government surveillance, you just approach it as if the natural state of affairs is that they get to know everything.

I sincerely hope that you are in a minority with such a dangerous, misguided belief, but I suspect you are not.

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Most people here work for more Orwellian companies doing worst thing with data they acquired with dubious ways than anything the french government could do.

>dangerous

In the extreme, yeah, it's dangerous. We're so far from that point in the Western world that I don't fear it right now.

>natural state of affairs

Yes, it is the natural state of affairs that the government have the power to snoop on us with a warrant. Otherwise, law enforcement has their hands tied behind their back. 1st grade civics tbh

Only now do you include a warrant. How much of the "laughable" Snowden-revealed spying was under cover of warrants, do you suppose?

Waaaiiiiit a minute ... you're a troll, aren't you?

https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=voynich61

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript

I think this user is earnest in his or her beliefs. They're just unpopular on HN.

Is the Voynich manuscript a troll artifact (like the Piltdown man bone)? From wikipedia, it looked like just an undeciphered manuscript.

> Waaaiiiiit a minute ... you're a troll, aren't you?

Please don't.

Apologies

>the government have the power to snoop on us with a warrant

Even die-hard libertarians understand that and don't claim otherwise.

So where is the warrant for all the phone calls that the NSA (or their collaborators like Verizon, etc.) keeps track of?

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