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Go ahead. Leave. Take control of your subway. The people upstate will take this. Better get started on that desalination plant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rondout_Reservoir (75 miles upstate)

From Vancouver to Ancient Rome, every city in the world thinks it is somehow better managed than its hinterlands. City dwellers forget their urban lifestyle relies on a constant stream of resources from elsewhere. New York sends money upstate. Upstate sends water. You cannot drink money. If the economic and political ties were cut I know where I'd rather be.

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The Cannonsville and Pepacton reservoirs (on the west and east branches of the Delaware River) also provide water for New York City. The land is owned by the city of New York, although not technically part of the city.

Interstate commerce is a thing. We'll happily pay you for the water you send us.

Until NJ decides it is willing to pay more. Having both the city and the hinterlands under the same political structure ensures the hinterlands aren't going to go find a better city willing to pay a higher price. If you look at the old maps, that seems to be how the eastern states were laid out. Each of the large port cities were given their own hinterland to form a state.

I'd imagine any deal to separate the city from the state (and it would have to be a deal, there would be no forcible exit) would include the city's purchase of that reservoir.

Again, this is not about thinking we're better managed, it's about the fact that Albany won't allow us to meet our own needs.

The city already owns those reservoirs, as well as the water tunnels that deliver the water into the city (which require little maintenance, as they run on gravity rather than pumps).

I'll admit to ignorance here. A poster above suggested NYC does not own the Rondout reservoir, another one said they do own two other reservoirs. If the city owns all of them, great. If there are some needed for the water supply, then they would have to be purchased.

Of course, all of this is on the level of fantasy, because it's not going to happen.

When it comes to natural resources, ownership /= control.

The city may have ownership, but the local/state/national governments still have say on things like environmental protection. Owning a forest doesn't give you the right to clearcut every tree. Owning a reservoir does not give you control over where that water comes from (the watershed) nor any of the environmental or safety rules governing water.

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