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> And if you think Clinton is going to win SC and Florida by +30% you must be in some echo chamber you're not aware of.

I follow the actual polls, not the most optimistic imaginings of where a candidate might be.

Why don't you link to a poll that has Sanders ahead in SC or Florida? Seriously, you're implying I am mistaken, so present your facts.

> They are in no way locked to Clinton, just stating that they would prefer if Clinton won the nomination.

Currently those are the delegate counts. And furthermore it is a clear endorsement by the democratic establishment.

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Just a reminder: polls aren't facts. They are sample based estimates. But you are right it'd be good to see the poll numbers on sanders. And the margins for error.

You are stating the delegate count as if it is in stone, when in fact it doesn't work the way you imply, as others have pointed out.

> polls aren't facts.

Yes they are. You mean to say that polls aren't conclusions within themselves.

Polls are a piece of data, a fact.

This kind of "Nuh-uh!" pedantry isn't productive discourse. The GP's point, as you were clearly able to recognize, is perfectly correct.

Well that's a huge double standard.

So the GP's point about the nature of polling itself isn't pedantic but my retort on the same topic is?

You'll have to explain that to me. Neither post is very productive discourse, but you think one of the two is "perfectly correct" so call out the other..?

Sorry but that's some mind boggling mental gymnastics you had to go through to write this reply.

Yep. You keep talking about polls as if they're somehow conclusive, objective, and completely predictive. The GP points out — correctly! — that polls are estimates, with margins for error, &c, with which you appear to concede agreement, but only after quibbling with the wording.

In my book, only one of those things is pedantry.

I'm not entirely sure how that's either mental gymnastics or a double standard, but I'm smart enough to know that I don't know everything, so I'm prepared to be mistaken.

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