Please don't misunderstand my point - I agree with what you were saying and I think Java is far too verbose. I just think by comparing a framework to a language you are misrepresenting the capabilities of Perl and the first Java programmer who knows how much of a hack OOP is in Perl could completely tear your post apart.

I mean, in Java can you do this?

    class MyClass {
        private String foo;

        public Class(String foo) { 
            this.foo = foo;
        }    
    }

    var inst = new MyClass();
    inst._foo = 'I just broke your encapsulation.';

Because you can with psuedo-privacy in Perl and Moose.

The other thing is that OOP in Perl without Moose is even more verbose than Java. I will never get over having to write my own new subroutine :)

P.S. MooseX::Declare absolutely did not compile on Windows last time I tried back in August. When I asked about this on IRC, it was a "known issue."