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He Drew the Sun for 40 Years, but Now His Telescope Is Dying

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If you are in the LA area you can take a docent guided tour of the Mount Wilson facilities, including the solar observatory mentioned in the article and the dome where Hubble observed.

For someone interested space and astronomy, it was a thoroughly enjoyable day. The view from the San Gabriels into the LA basin is also a marvel.

The Mt. Wilson observatory is also the last of the giant telescopes to use a traditional equatorial mount, where the axis of the mount is parallel to Earth's axis of rotation. In other words, it's got a giant steel mounting that needs an entire building foundation to support it.

An equatorial mount was required in the days of photographic plates, the mount is turned to compensate the rotation of the Earth during long exposures. This can be done by rotating the axis with a steady rate.

Modern (giant) telescopes use alt-azimuth mounts (similar to a normal camera mount), which require two axes to be adjusted simultaneously with computer control. This causes the projected image to rotate and is not suitable for photographic plates but can be compensated with digital image processing.

I'd like to visit the Mt. Wilson observatory just to see the marvelous engineering in the mounting.

> In other words, it's got a giant steel mounting that needs an entire building foundation to support it.

This is still the case for the Alt-Az telescopes. For stability, telescopes are built on a foundation that is independent from the building's foundation and, ideally, that goes to bedrock.

> Modern (giant) telescopes use alt-azimuth mounts (similar to a normal camera mount), which require two axes to be adjusted simultaneously with computer control. This causes the projected image to rotate and is not suitable for photographic plates but can be compensated with digital image processing.

Actually, there's usually a third rotation axis often added to instruments (or their mount points) for Alt-Az telescopes, called a field rotator. As one might expect, this counteracts the apparent rotation of the field and maintains the same image orientation on the detector. Note that this is also important for spectroscopy and not just imaging. For spectroscopy, you may also want to ensure the position angle of your slit is constant relative to your source of interest, particularly if the source is not point-like.

In principle, one could correct for the field rotation with image processing. But for many observing programs, the individiual exposures can be in excess of 15 minutes. For crowded fields or extended sources, it would be non-trivial to deconvolve the field rotation. In practice, it's much easier to just add a third axis to the instrument which counteracts the field rotation.

There's also a model-specific wedge that can be used to "convert" to Equatorial. My SCT has one available, though I don't use it, since most of my imaging involves stacking much shorter exposures at lower magnifications than would be problematic with field rotation.

Good point. Those are available for amateur telescopes. I should have noted I was referring to professional University or national-level observatories.

> This is still the case for the Alt-Az telescopes. For stability, telescopes are built on a foundation that ...

Yeah, most certainly. But you can build much bigger telescopes with Alt-Az mounting, right? I have a hard time imagining a 10 or 30 meter telescope on an Eq mounting.

> Actually, there's usually a third rotation axis often added to instruments (or their mount points) for Alt-Az telescopes, called a field rotator.

Thanks for this snippet of information, I had not heard about a third axis. Is the third axis on the instrument only? Ie. the optics are on Alt-Az mount with two axes and the CCD is mounted on a third?

The Mt. Palomar instrument is also equitorial, as is a Russian telescope of similar design that is somewhat larger.

In traditional equitorial mounts, the scope hangs off one side, but the Wilson one is too large for this, so it is suspended at both ends, and this is further modified for Palomar.

It will be awesome if someone can animate these into a movie or a gif.

How in the hell does this article get published without an image of one of the drawings?

At the top of the article there is a picture that is just one of a gallery (6 images). It's not obvious but it appears that a couple of them are drawings, presumably by the subject of the article.

The carousel at the top of the page shows both a photograph and a diagram for each of 6 different days, 12 separate pictures: March 29, 2016; November 30, 1999; December 31, 2012; May 30, 2008; February 6, 2007; August 27, 2006

http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/sunspots_512... http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/dr160329-102... http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/sunspots_102... http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/dr991130-102... http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/sunspots_102... http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/dr121231-102... etc.

Thank you. It should have been noted that these are labeled scientific drawings with phenomenological ids for any spots or effects. Not just silly sketches. Its probably an easier task to OCR the sketches than to even get the guy to use new software or use images of the sun and detect spots. Kind of interesting, are there any sunspot softwares that use actual photographic data from digital scopes? Ie. Is what this guy is doing these days only a spiritual release? (Not hating, just pointing out that I would love to have his job..)

These drawings seem to be very hard to find.

https://www.google.com/search?q=solar+drawings+mount+wilson&...

http://obs.astro.ucla.edu/intro.html

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