Massachusetts Right to Repair Initiative
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Cars are getting increasingly more difficult to work on yourself, regardless of manufacturer.
Early, purely mechanical cars were easy to work with, there was no magic, everything which made the car work was removable, tweakable.
Then came fuel injection. It was a mish-mash of incompatible technologies and everyone doing their own proprietary thing. The gov't mandated the OBD and OBD-II standards into cars to allow independent servicing of the car, primarily for emissions reasons. For a while, things were simple again, since you could do basic interfacing with the cars yourself, clear codes, etc. The actual ECU maps weren't readily available, but easy enough to reverse engineer since you could memory dump the ECU through an exposed connector or even through the OBD-II port.
Then came air bags and auxiliary safety systems. These were locked down and not subject to OBD rules. To reset the air bag light after fixing a bad connection requires dealer-specific tools, an independent can't do it without acquiring these tools, which are usually prohibitively expensive, or simply not available.
Today, ECU's are encrypted, impenetrable, and export the legally required minimum OBD-II spec, and that's it. You usually have to take it to the dealer for any proprietary codes. As for tuning A/F maps, forget about it.
Some cars have huge enthusiast communities, so some ECU's get cracked, or you replace the ECU with a completely open one, but then sacrifice lots of the vehicle's features.
It's getting more difficult to be a weekend garage mechanic. Brakes and suspensions are still easy, but the engine is becoming impenetrable. A recent BMW, in which all I did was replace a dead battery, required a trip to the dealer to "accept" this new battery. The battery monitoring system threw a code which an independent can't clear.
We both know a stock 12v is grossly under-powered by early-mid 2000s standards.
And if you've got a close to stock (nobody gets 24mpg with 35s and a lift) 12v powered vehicle that isn't a completely clapped out POS or very, very rusty you're probably not wheeling it much if at all...
Was I close?
Still, I am happy my 1974 Citroën DS 23 has fuel injection. Even if it means some extra difficulty getting to the cylinders and to the engine itself. But you are right, I am usually advised not to tinker with the fuel injection itself. Then again, on this model, people's experience is that there is usually no problem with the fuel injection anyway. And I have had no problems with it so far.
Everything else though is really simple with the service manual. One neat feature though is that many VW/Audi engines have a hall effect sensor built into the engine block for precise timing using a Grundig VAG 1367 which the dealer used... but it's also easy enough these days to just make your own timing system with a BeagleBoard or Arduino because the 3 pin port is a very simple circuit documented in the service manual.
The only engine mod I'm planning on doing is bypass the useless auxilliary air valve, which does not advance timing or fast idle when cold.. and do that with the engine and additional ambient air sensor to vary the fast-idle vacuum passage... it stalls when cold and no VW "expert" shop can be trusted to fix it without ruining something else. Fixing it yourself when you know exactly what is wrong is better than relying on someone else motivated to go as slow and as expensive as possible with an unknown outcome.
The most beautiful car ever made. I had the pleasure of driving two of these for years, still miss them 20 years later.
Enjoy your ride!
Many manufacturers use extended OBD (UDS protocol) commands to handle specific tasks. Sometimes the DIDs (requestable variables) get "discovered" by reverse engineering the dealership's software (or other third party vehicle specific diagnostic software).
Most cars after 2008 use CANbus for the OBD port, so you can perform tasks and observe the messages using a cheap microcontroller+CANbus controller.
Also, I don't know if you work on BMWs often, but I just wanted to add that you can clear/reset the battery subsystem on a modern BMW/Mini using a $20 K/D-CAN cable from eBay and illegally obtained BMW INPA software.
You can use INPA to perform many tasks. Rain sensor recalibration, battery recalibration, ABS bleed procedure, transmission adaptation reset, etc...
Either way, this is well beyond the ability of the average mechanic, which is why this issue is important.
My father runs a body shop and he constantly has to call the "computer guy" to reset airbag lights. Some cars even require a reset procedure when headlights are changed...it's crazy.
The only good thing is that since so many cars use CANbus everywhere, it's pretty hackable if you want to spend the time to figure out the message IDs and encoding.
Charlie Miller, a famous InfoSec expert who previous known for hacking iPhone was able to take complete control of a JEEP remotely [1]. I doubt that's possible for the older JEEPs without ECUs and cellular connectivity. And this is just a start, not only for JEEP but a lot of other cars too[3]. With EVs are gradually coming into mainstream, soon average consumers might be able to "fix" their EVs whereas they can't for the previous internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles without even getting their hands dirty[4].
[0]: http://www.instructables.com/id/Hack-your-vehicle-CAN-BUS-wi...
[1]: http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-high...
[2]: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2016-02/24/nissan-car-ha...
[3]: http://www.canbushack.com/blog/index.php
[4]: http://www.bmwblog.com/2014/10/11/coding-tutorial-bmw-i3-ele...
I'm appalled at the lack of security in modern cars. Cars have a single CANbus and abuse it to intermingle important control protocols with silly things like trip odometers you can see on your stereo. The internet connected systems aren't in the least bit secure - look at what happened with the Nissan LEAF, which had an API without any sort of authentication where the VIN number was sufficient to access private data - jeez, nobody could ever guess the VIN for a car could they, it's not like it's printed on the windshield...oh wait. I hope that companies like Automatic have taken precautions against people using their dongles as an attack vector for cars.
Anyhow, I'm one of the people who does hack into my cars, mostly to learn how the systems work, but I don't represent the average case, since 20 years of building hardware and software gives me a background that most mechanics don't have. This stuff takes a lot of time to do, both to research then to make sure you've not screwed something up. It's not hard to brick an ECU, I've done it once, and replacing it is annoying too, due to regulations, the embedded VIN in the ECU and such, especially in CA where I live.
On the upside, there are passionate hobbyists who do reverse engineer these cars, and there is a treasure trove of information on the web on how to hack your cars if you have the knowhow.
The Raptor Talos Workstation is the closest thing we have to a enthusiast car without wholly proprietary internals, which is just incredibly bad.
If your state has this option[1], you can bring ballots forward on this topic and it should be possible to get signatures and they are extremely likely to pass. (I originally said easy to get signatures, but getting 365,880 signatures, as is currently required in California, would not be easy, but should be possible if you are a good organizer.)
You run a petition campaign to get a good, but draconian, measure on the ballot. You do this carefully, and gather a solid margin of extra signatures. When you're about 50% there, you schedule a demonstration at the State House. If you can turn out 200-300 people at the State House, it's good. You do a little "What do we want? Open Systems. When do we want them? Now!" chanting, and you talk to the press. You then get people to talk to their reps and state senators, and ask for THEIR signatures (as voters) on the initiative. If they oppose it, they have to look a constituent in the eye and say "no."
Then you finish the signature drive, in plenty of time to get the signatures certified by the town clerks.
Then, the legislature should be primed to pass good legislation to head off the good ballot bill. In this case (right to repair) the ballot bill passed anyway, because the legislature was distracted (the Speaker was being prosecuted for corruption).
That's how we got the law commonly and wrongly known as Romneycare passed. In that case, the legislature did their jobs when forced.
It's NEVER a bad thing to have your state senator know who you are.
So, seems like these work, and the way to solve it is to force standard compliance through them.
The OBD2 connector in your car is one result of this battle from 1996. Every brand of car before that had a different plug, nothing was standardized before that. OBD2 fixed that, caused other minor issues like plug was the same, but some wires were different.
I use to sell automotive repair information and equipment. 15 years ago I was selling 5 years of info for $10,000 . It was 200 ish per month on financing. Yes, they financed future software releases, five years ahead of time........ think about that for a sec.
Now its all online, you pay a monthly fee to access. https://www.shopkeypro.com/ now only $169 and it DOES NOT include everything, only what the manufacturers will share.
The current offerings by the way are no better than 15 years ago. The drawings look like a child did them with crayon. The software is crap, but there is basically no competition, so who cares?
My friends that own auto shops tell me that they are not renewing, many of them say they get better info from Youtube, and it has video that the repair manuals don't.
If anyone wants to disrupt auto repair information, there are 300,000 businesses out there that need it. Snap-on/Mitchell sucks, and the product is severely dated. Last time I looked at their shop management software it was running a MS Access database. Plain text data, you could hijack their customer records into a SaaS and include repair info from Youtube. Shops pay $169-hundreds more per month now for a crappy product.
PM me if you want to discuss further.
I hope the MA repair info law goes nationwide. We have only been waiting 100 years.
Worldwide.
The US law is very proscriptive - you musth have the factory ECU with the factory tune with the factory catalyst, etc. Instead, we need results based laws for this stuff, something like a limit on engine emissions on a particular duty cycle, and leave it to the aftermarket companies to figure that out.
Right now, most engine mods you do are not technically legal, especially in CA and the handful of other states which have adopted its emissions laws, so you try to hide what you've done and not get caught, even though you have perfectly clean emissions. Unfortunately, lots of people turn their cars into gross polluters because they like the loudness of straight pipes or want the extra few HP from an open exhaust, and in an attempt to stop these, the laws are making it more difficult for the rest of us.
Good reading here : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11233898
Tesla currently makes service manuals and tools available (for a hefty fee) to third parties, but only to accredited body shops, or residents of Massachusetts. I'm sure that last part is not a coincidence.
http://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-s-is-basically-a-good-lo...
*someone from the commonwealth
No, it isn't. We've allowed people to mess with the brakes of a car for over a century and the world hasn't come to an end.
There are two batteries: 1) normal 12V battery (in the trunk under the floor I believe) 2) the large 'main' battery which
The 12V is absolutely user replaceable. Wonderfully, they even provide jump lugs under the hood in normal locations. The main battery is under the rear seat and the center console between the passenger and drive sides seats. I haven't messed with that one...not going to bother until the warranty is gone.
I would be surprised if the manufacturers don't build something like that in already, just because it makes the car safer to assemble. (Wiring up a high-current battery pack to a bunch of electronics can be... fun... if there's not a cutoff close to the battery. You end up with a pretty good-sized arc in some cases even with the other electronics 'off'.)
The Prius has an emergency disconnect under the hood that can be accessed by emergency personnel / firefighters, although I believe it's destructive to operate. (It's a "cut here in emergency" sort of thing, at least on the older ones.)
I could see having a standardized service disconnect switch, or at least standardized signage or switch appearance, on electric/hybrid cars as a safety thing, not just for roadside emergencies but also for maintenance.
In any case the idea of finding (or even sympathizing with) reasons to prevent owners from accessing their cars' inner functionality rubs me exactly the wrong way.
[1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2012/nov/28/dumb-ways...
(Edit: As in, it's not just illegal to plumb your entire house. It's illegal to replace a tap.)
Totally nuts. I get why they want only one ground from a safety perspective but to bring a potential source of a lightning strike into your electrical panel when it can be safely deflected outside the house is insanity to a degree that I'm not convinced it shouldn't be criminal.
Anyway, I refused, they kept on harassing me and eventually (after a year or so) left me alone. I told the guy I'd do it if he would inform my insurance company of the change he requested in black and white, but that of course he would not do. I suspect he became an electrical inspector by following some course, not because he actually understood the first thing about physics.
Highly annoying.
On the other hand, I'm not so sure about how hard it is to check and maintain an autopilot system...
I think it is worth noting that Click and Clack from Car Talk on NPR where big proponents of the MA bill.
As with all things, everything is hackable. I previously owned a Subaru BRZ...the tuner community had several options of people who had reverse engineered the entire ECU and made new programming and maps available. They even built new functionality that allowed the cruise control stalk and other secondary controls to change engine settings on the fly.
No one from Subaru/Toyota offered this, although when the car was launched they had promised that they would. But with an Arduino and a CAN shield, and a little patience you can begin to sniff things, they don't bother to secure them.
Now I have a Chevy volt. I wish there was a bigger mod community, but mine is still under warranty. Electric motorcycles like those made by Zero tend to have different 'modes' that allow some customization of things like acceleration profiles and (especially) regenerative braking. I wish I could retune when the volt uses the engine and how...the car is a comprise on many variables. I wish the volt had that, but it will never happen for real mainline consumer products. After the warranty is up...mine may find itself with a bigger battery.
Am I to understand that I should be able to get access to all the same information, documents, code, software tools, protocols about my vehicle as a dealer? For free?
BMW hasn't released their computer interface information publicly about my vehicle AFAIK, and I really want to build some logging/diagnostic tools on my own, but lacking documentation I have to reverse-engineer from square one.
How (if possible) can I take advantage of this?
The language of the law is here: https://malegislature.gov/Laws/SessionLaws/Acts/2013/Chapter...
That strongly suggests that you would need to sign a confidentiality agreement as a tools vendor to gain access to the protocol information.
Tesla provides access to the service manuals by law. But they won't let you purchase them. You must rent them at $30/hr, $100/day, $350/mo, or $3000/yr.
http://syonyk.blogspot.com/2016/03/is-tesla-building-throwaw...
black box items, whether its cars, phones, or computers, are things you never truly can own nor trust.
If those standards were well-thought-out. I know, I know, good luck with that...
I really like this idea and would like to see it come to fruition. It's a nice check on consumerism and planned obsolescence.
https://service.teslamotors.com/
$30/hour, and various other pricings up to $3000/year. The latter is probably feasible for an independent service shop, but none of this would ever work for an individual.
It's probably infeasible for anyone, even a business. To be able to invest $3,000/year for a Tesla service manual you need to have the know-how to repair Teslas, and to have the know-how you need to have the service manual. Chicken-and-egg problem.
So, in practice, a "right to repair" Teslas for individuals or businesses will have to wait for if and when the manual hits torrent sites. Not that I blame them for not wanting amateurs attempting to repair their bleeding-edge high-tech gizmos with explosive batteries.
You might have a problem finding control arms and body panels if you're not a shop but I'm betting tie rod ends, wiper motor/arms, wheel bearings and brake parts are all common parts or very close to existing, common parts. The CVs and steering rack are probably hybrids made from existing components in the supplier's inventory but specifically assembled in that way for Tesla's application. SpaceX makes a point of using off the shelf parts where possible to reduce cost. I would be downright surprised if Tesla didn't do the same. It's in the best interest of any low volume manufacturer to use off the shelf parts wherever possible. The lower the volume the more this is true.
For example, one of the higher end Toyotas (I forget if it's the Avalon or Solara) uses the same Bose sound system as a handful of Maseratis. Some Rolls-Royces use a smallblock Chevy starter motor. The Dana 44 rear axle as been in everything from pickup to luxury sedans to Zambonis to forklifts. A part is a part, an assembly is an assembly. If exactly what you want isn't out there already then you work with the manufacturer to have it made. You don't reinvent the wheel unless you have a very good reason.
Now, Massachusetts has relatively employer-biased noncompete laws, but that may change over time, and certainly people from other states could move to Massachusetts.
I think you might draw a distinction, however: A former BMW (same price space as Tesla) repair tech probably has the know-how to repair future BMW models (or cars in general), because internal-combustion cars are a very mature technology (at least where there are moving parts).
On the other hand a former Apple repair tech would probably have a lot less confidence in their ability to repair future iPhones and iPads, which are relatively new and rapidly-changing technologies.
I think that it's very possible Teslas are more like iPhones than they are like ordinary cars. You could even make the case that electric cars are a less mature, faster-changing technology even compared to smartphones.
70% of a mobile phone can be recycled the rest is non recoverable waste.
This Initiative is what I've been waiting for. I will happily accept information from automotive manufactures, but in the future I want it all;I want any repair information on any product brought into this state.
That will include: vechicles, electronics, appliances, etc., and yes, even mechanical watches.
Being able to buy parts(if parts are still available) should be a right too?