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No. There is no evidence to support the technique at all, and it is no longer recommended in most parts of the world.

Well, I'm an anaesthetist, and have heard this argument.

I personally did a heimlich maneuvere on a hospital inpatient who was blue and choking on a big bit of bread, and the bread came out and he turned pink again.

So from my samples size of N=1, it works 100% of the time. I would like to know the high quality randomized controlled trials which show that it doesn't?

Just like Lisa's rock. Nothing works 100% of the time, and obviously they do not use "high quality randomized controlled trials" since killing people is not ethical. Current recommendations are to begin with back blows.

Please cite, I can't find anything to support your claim.

You can't find wikipedia? Here's his son's site talking about how he is a huge fraud: http://www.medfraud.info/

The Wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdominal_thrusts

Your site is... lol

The wiki article says what I said, that's why I asked why you were having a hard time finding it. It is not my site, it is his son's site. Try reading.

The wiki article says nothing like what you said, and don't get pissy with me, crackpot.

"According to Roger White MD of the Mayo Clinic and American Heart Association (AHA), "There was never any science here. Heimlich overpowered science all along the way with his slick tactics and intimidation, and everyone, including us at the AHA, caved in.""

Seriously, try reading.

This Mayo Clinic? The one that does recommend it?

http://www.mayoclinic.org/first-aid/first-aid-choking/basics...

Now go invent a 'perpetual motion machine' or sight a UFO and leave me alone.

Yes, that one. Seriously, read what you respond to.

I did, they recommend the Heimlich Maneuver. Edit: Don't keep quoting your crazy crackpot site, we're talking about Wikipedia and the Mayo site here. Focus

Yes, because of "Heimlich overpowered science all along the way with his slick tactics and intimidation, and everyone, including us at the AHA, caved in." Seriously, read what you reply to.

Not your silly little crackpot site, the Mayo clinic site. Now take your meds.

Your comments have repeatedly been violating the HN guidelines by being uncivil and unsubstantive. We ban accounts that do this, so please stop doing this. Instead, please (re)-read the site rules and post civilly and substantively, or not at all.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

It would be nice if you could offer this service to all of your posters, equally.

That would require reading every post, which is impossible.

Understandable, then I guess you could just do it for this quote chain? Do you really want a crackpot pimping his personal site and cause? You'll just be putting out more fires with other people later, and you still won't really know why they're cropping up.

Maybe instead of just calling it a crackpot site, and attacking the commenter, you can refute the content that's been linked.

Much harder to argue against a well-reasoned response than personal attacks.

Re-read the comment thread, the person I'm "conversing" with can't even keep it straight when he's talking about Wikipedia, the Mayo Clinic site, or his special "site".

And have you actually read over his site? No offense, but my time isn't significantly less valuable than yours, so if you want to spend that kind of time, be my guest.

Wikipedia is neither mine, nor "silly little crackpot".

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