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I'm disappointed not to see Aristotle. On the other hand not totally surprised, either.

Kay is a huge admirer of Socrates. When I interviewed Kay in 2012, he even managed to bring Socrates into the conversation and then discourse on his worthiness in the context of various religions[1]: "You can't go to heaven unless you're baptized. If anyone deserves to go to heaven, it's Socrates, so this is a huge problem."

While the link below goes to the page mentioning Socrates, I highly recommend the entire interview. Kay was in truly excellent form.

[1] http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/interview-wit...

Dante has a solution for this: There is a place in the upper section of hell with no punishment or torment, reserved for "just heathens" like Socrates. So technically he did not go to heaven since he is denied the closeness to God, but arguably this is an even nicer afterlife, since he can continue thinking and questioning things together with other great minds.

And consider that the Mormons did get Socrates into heaven (via proxy baptism!)

Exmormon here, to get into VIP Heaven (highest kingdom in heaven) he also needs temple endowment and temple sealing done by proxy too (which they've probably done). Don't tell me you converted to mormonism because of this

Nope (I just read a lot)

Mormonism solves this problem by baptizing dead people.

It contains Bertrand Russels 'History of Western Philosophy' which is far more relevant IMO - and gives a nice summary of Aristotle including the warning "he's kinda rubbish if you compare him to his reputation". By which he means, in several topics Aristotle is rather more enthusiastic, than coherent, precise or correct.

Marvin Minsky: "A lot of philosophy is just bad science ..."

Would you agree that there is no science without good philosophy?

I don't understand this question, but it sounds as though a good answer could be "yes" ... please say more ...

Ah if yes, then I have no more questions. Couldn't tell but it seemed like the comment "A lot of philosophy is just bad science ..." could have meant that science could somehow exist separately from philosophy.

That was Marvin's comment, and I'm quite sure that he meant it literally, i.e. not as a comment on either science or philosophy, but on "most philosophy".

Aristotle was, as opposed to Plato, and much to the benefit of humanity, an empiricist.

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