Venezuelans Ransack Stores as Hunger Grips the Nation
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It's a country with enviable natural resources. It's not like they don't have arable land or suffer from prolonged droughts and they did not suffer a civil war recently but they do suffer from government hubris and an economic death spiral. Complete national economic mismanagement.
One can only hope the country does not fundamentally collapse and people try to escape at any cost. It's not like Brazil is economically up to absorbing the exodus.
Of course, this will be blamed on the imperialist gringos and the failure of their "socialist" policies will not be recognized.
>There has been little rain in Venezuela in the past three years, and a crippling deficit last year in particular—a predictable effect of El Niño, the global climate cycle that periodically warms parts of the Pacific Ocean, causing deluges in Texas and Florida, warm weather in eastern Canada, and desiccation in Indonesia and parts of Latin America. As a result, the water behind Venezuela’s dams, which supply around two-thirds of the country’s electricity, is at a historic low. At the Guri Dam, the nation’s largest hydropower facility, the water is reportedly within five metres of dead pool. At this low level, the worry is that air will get into the dam’s inner workings along with the water, producing vibrations in the metal turbine blades that can rattle the structure to death. If Venezuela’s reservoirs run dry and its dams stop working, its grid will, too.
http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-electricity-crisi...
Mismanagement is why oil production drops every year and there is no refining capacity.
It doesn't matter if Ghengis Khan becomes the leader of Venezuela.....if he fixes those two things, the economy will rebound quickly.
Cause: corruption, populist uneducated leader, need to satisfy constituents without making any hard choices.
Effect: price controls, private property seizure.
When it comes down to it, the same thing isn't happening in Sweden or Norway.
True, there are other strands of socialsit thought but usually all countries that become socialist try to do command and control and not anarcho syndicalism or something like that.
So maybe go back and inform yourself about the history of socialist tought.
Also stop trying to sell Sweden as Socialist. Those countries are normal capitalist wellfare states, just like France, Germany or any other western state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states
Venezuela doesn't even make the list since they aren't "officially" socialist (only four countries are, Laos, Vietnam, Cuba, China). So what is your criteria then? What is a socialist state? Is it just anything that nickik declares as socialist? Zimbabwe had price controls and they practiced land redistribution as well as nationalization. Would you try to spin them as socialist? Or just really corrupt?
One of the main issues is that their is the divide between countries that call them selfs socialist, and countries who are attempting a socialist model. Just as we understand that the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" of North Korea is not actually a democratic or a Republic.
I define purely by economics system. So that means that North Korea actually has a socialist system but they no longer claim to be communist. China in turn calls itself socialist but their economic system has moved pretty far in the last 20 years (China is somewhat special because their are huge internal divides between special economic zones and some of other parts).
So I think that truly socialist in terms of economic policy, you basically only have North Korea and Cuba (Cuba could be different now, Im not very up to date). Venezuela never really went to the end but they certainly when pretty far. I don't know enough about Lao or Vietnam to make an educated comment about their economic policy.
For me a socialist government is one that is actively trying to get full control over the means of production. The more a government tries to attempted this, the more socialist they are. Lenin and co in 1917-1921 probably had the 'best' run. Within a very short time they nationalist banks, all major industry, all export, transportation and many others. The only thing they really failed to nationalise is the farmland because it was to difficult. It took Stalin to do that in 1928.
The definition of socialism as 'worker owned means of production' has been interpreted as 'means of production owned by a worker lead party' from a very early time. The follower of this definition have been by far the most successful socialist. The other interpretations had far less success.
As for Zimbabwe, yes the ZANU is a socialist party and the began to nationalise under the banner of socialism.
> "Also stop trying to sell Sweden as Socialist. Those countries are normal capitalist wellfare states"
Capitalists have been using this excuse forever.
You can never really say its a real capitalist system. Thats why people use other words such as 'free-market capitalism' or 'welfare capitalism'.
Exactly, so you get what I'm saying?
Venezuela isn't even a self proclaimed socialist country, let alone one without capitalism. All of its dysfunctions are fairly basic...it looks a lot like what happened in Zimbabwe.
Zimbabwe has a tortured history with lots of corruption, colonialism, despotism, nepotism, racism, ethnicism etc. The economic system is the least of its problems.
PS who di Venezuela associate with if not Cuba, Bolivia, Ecuador, etc? That should tell you their implicit leanings (if not their explicit rhetoric).
> Do they continuously assign any bad news the doings of Americans and the traitors among them who sympathize with Americans?
Again, not something defining or unique to socialism.
> Zimbabwe has a tortured history with lots of corruption, colonialism, despotism, nepotism, racism, ethnicism etc. The economic system is the least of its problems.
Zimbabwe is far from Somalia. Yes, economic system issues were one of their primary problems, arising from problems like corruption, colonialism, etc...:
A fever in and of itself does not tell you the malady affecting someone, taken in conjunction with other symptoms the individual symptoms inform the cause. Same with nationalization and or price controls, blaming gringos, etc.
So, by that line of though, most muslim countries in the Middle East are Socialist.
So Australia, Sweden etc are not socialist in any meaningful way. Venezuela, OTOH, was actually going that way, with an ongoing large-scale nationalization of private businesses:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-election-nationa...
All of us in the developed world need to study and educate others on what the policies in Venezuela have done (no, it wasn't the weather, the evil corporations, oil prices or whatever other excuse of the week they claim). We need to ensure other countries do not go down this route.
Especially concerning to me is the popular support of Chavez/Maduro and these policies:
Jeremy Corbyn, Britain's Labour party leader tweeted: "Thanks Hugo Chavez for showing that the poor matter and wealth can be shared. He made massive contributions to Venezuela & a very wide world"(1)
In Spain, a political party gaining major support helped create the disastorous policies in Venezuela (2)
Please, those of you who support these types of policies - educate yourself on their effects. And take a look at the reverse, how well the average Chinese person has done as their economy has gone from control to free enterprise (3).
People vote with their feet. How many Panamanians and Mexicans are emigrating to Venezuela? How many people moved away from the special economic zones in China? How many of the desperate poor in Florida take rafts to go to the communist paradise of Cuba?
(1): https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/309065744954580992?l...
(2): http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/20/world/europe/venezuela-cas...
The question is "do they?". Successful governments usually dont. China has many challenges to overcome and one is not attempting this strategy again.
Yeah, it's possible that chavez's attempts at socialist policy created this. But having the intelligence agency of the most powerful nation in the world spend decades trying to fuck up your government might possibly have an impact, too.
The main issues I think have been rampant government corruption under Chavez's cult of personality and the papering over of economic problems with oil money. There are many stories of Chavez basically buying votes with oil revenues. Having a huge source of essentially free money let the government operate like a sports star fresh out of college, buying expensive houses and cars, until the money dries up and they promptly go broke.
Communist/socialist countries tend to control the press, and hush up exposés of corruption, which makes it much worse.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/obama-has-sentenced-w...
But after living in a communist country for the last five years I can tell you for a fact it can get much worse.
Free Market Capitalism would be another one.
Let's avoid a stupid "definition of terms" fight and just talk about why the USSR was such a complete disaster for a few minutes, whatever you want to call their system.
That system was one that centralized a lot of power. What jobs people did, what prices things sold at, where people could love, how much of what they would try to make or grow, and also who could say what, what ideologies were allowed, what kind of media people could see, what foreign ideas were allowed in.
It turns out that that's a pretty rich field for graft. All the graft opportunities that were available in other countries, plus a big slice of economic control, plus a big slice of ideology control made for some powerful government officials, and they could use corruption to turn that power into personal gain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_spending
How are they 'more Socialist' than the USSR or Cuba or China when it was poor where the state owned everything?
Sure, they are 'Social Democracies' which seems to mean market-democracies with a welfare state these days.
(This is of course social democracy rather than "pure" socialism. But since most social democratic policies, e.g. health care and social safety nets, are called "socialism" by those who wish to demonize them, I think it's fair to put social democracy's triumphs under the same label.)
In scandinavia they are not keeping companies alive that are literally consuming money, such a the British coal mines.
Before she took over Britain had very litte growth and was called the sick man of europe. Inflations was getting out of control and would have ruined Britain.
Certantly not everything she did was good, but Britain despretly need some of those changes.
If you look at indexes of economic freedom the scandinavian countries are actually quite high. Their are many extremly capitalist aspects of their society as well.
“The Chinese won’t sell to us,” said a taxi driver who watched the crowd haul away all that was inside. “So we burn their stores instead.”
You'll eat tonight, but at the cost of the rest of the output of that store - if you even got the food out before you burned it. While I suppose the time to be philosophical is before the starving crowd gathers in front of the grain store, this is still madness.
Further, the mentality and fiscal politics and a connected world matter.
In the US and all developed nations, our quantitative easing programs are an abstracted, less violent but fiscally equivalent analog to burning a store or selling the future for the present. The consequences of these choices will also come to our door in time.
If they gave me the stick, I'd set interest rates at 3% and hold the line through a recession or depression. Far better that then coming to the end of the line, having no options and no way out.
How come ?
It's a good thing you don't have the stick. I'd liken such a policy to the Taylor Rule, which can produce ridiculous results, but even that relies on macroeconomic data at all times. If your policy is such that 3% is the new lower bound, you have just created the lower bound you seek to avoid.
At present, there is no lower bound. Many countries are employing negative interest rates to attempt to stimulate their respective economies. A notable exception is Switzerland, which maintains negative rates primarily to devalue its currency (of course the magnitude of the exception is debatable). While negative interest rates are not well understood, they are utilized.
Central banks have additional tools at their disposal as well, like ON RRP, which means that talking about a single 3% rate is poorly specified. Ultimately though, we are encountering the limits of monetary policy and governments should be considering a fiscal approach, especially with such low interest rates. At a fixed 3%, fiscal policy is less appealing even when absolutely necessary.
Not a single economist in the world would agree to your insane 3% rule. That rule is so absurd that its hard to even argue against it.
Comparing QE to people burning down a store is also totally wrong. You seem to have never picked up an economic book in your life.
Just because economics is not physics does not mean you can just shit all over the thought of millions of smart people who have studied these issues.
If your rule would be applied you would wish that you lifed in the great depression.
I have studied many different school of economics, from 1400 spanish monks to modern day schools. Not a single one would think your "proposle" is anything put insanity.
(Apr 26) http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-venezuela...
(May 11) https://panampost.com/sabrina-martin/2016/05/11/venezuela-lo...
Now it is about essentially anything. Specific product shortages started long, long ago:
(Nov 2015) http://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-venezuela-is-running-o...
And for electronics it has been years. The cause is widely reported to be price regulation.
At high inflation rate and frozen price of commodities and food, traders are forced to sell bellow cost. Which leads to business closure, leading to shortage.
In other word, the United States is basically defending them (and many other countries in Europe). Because the United States defended them, they don't have to spend much on their military, so they have extra money left to spend on their socialist programs.
So again, "Socialism only works until you run out of someone else's money."