So let Scotland secede and join the EU. Problem solved, human freedom and happiness maximized.
See 'Secession: The Reasonable Option Everyone Resists' by Tom Woods:
So .. According to you other european countries should get a referendum about UK being in the EU
The biggest thing to me is that many in the leave camp used very similar arguments against the leave camp in the Scottish indy ref.
That and the EU/better together camp said Scotland wouldn't be part of the EU if they left and should therefore stay.
Note: from Manchester. Voted remain. Don't see the SNP as the national threat they're portrayed to be.
It's tough luck. You can't threaten to quit every time things don't work out for you.
"The biggest thing to me is that many in the leave camp used very similar arguments against the leave camp in the Scottish indy ref."
I don't think anybody envisioned we would actually leave.
"That and the EU/better together camp said Scotland wouldn't be part of the EU if they left and should therefore stay."
It's not entirely clear that Scotland will be able to join the EU anyway. There's a long waiting list and large payment required.
"Note: from Manchester. Voted remain. Don't see the SNP as the national threat they're portrayed to be."
I also voted remain. I'm not afraid of the threat of Scotland to the rest of the UK, I'm afraid of Scotland's threat to itself.
What will be interesting now is whether Scotland really has the economy to survive on their own in the EU. Other smaller Countries have not yet been successful.
Since this is a fact, you see some very odd and contorted phrases to imply otherwise. One classic is to say that Scotland spends more than it earns. Which is entirely true, Scotland runs a deficit. What isn't mentioned is that the UK as a whole runs a deficit. But Leave voters have shown themselves to be very susceptible to propaganda as long as it talks down "the other".
I assume you don't live in England, or if you do you live in one of those two areas. It's not true at all. A lot of people travel daily to larger cities to work, making them look better than they are.
"What isn't mentioned is that the UK as a whole runs a deficit."
It's more about them running at more of a deficit. If you don't believe me, believe the Scottish [1].
"But Leave voters have shown themselves to be very susceptible to propaganda as long as it talks down "the other"."
I'm not a leave voter, if you're trying to use that against me.
[1] http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/public-spending-per-head-in-...
“As official figures show, Scotland has paid more in tax per head than the rest of the UK in each of the last 30 years and we contribute a higher share of UK revenues than we receive in public spending.”
They still run a deficit though and need a financial market strong enough for people to invest in. It'll not be the walk in the park a lot of people think it may be. There will be some really hard times to come if thr decision comes to leaving the UK.
I'm still not convinced it is in Scotland's interests.
And if they'll falsely accuse the Scots of "stealing" from them, falsely accuse immigrants of being bad for the economy, then really, who is safe in this post-fact politics?
I wish I could enjoy the looks on the Conservative Remain sides faces, as they process losing to a bunch of sociopathic liars. But schadenfreude is probably banned in post-Brexit Britain.
I very much agree. Ultimately, the difference between me and them is I admit when I'm wrong - rather than just digging a larger hole.
"And if they'll falsely accuse the Scots of "stealing" from them, falsely accuse immigrants of being bad for the economy, then really, who is safe in this post-fact politics?"
I think the UK really needs to go under reform regardless. I think if you're an MP or civil servant and you are caught lying, there should be some legal consequence. If you're paid by the tax payer and accept bribes or are dishonest, you have no place in UK politics.
What's really annoying is the only reason the Royal Family is still involved is to keep an eye on things. Well oh how they have slipped.
"I wish I could enjoy the looks on the Conservative Remain sides faces, as they process losing to a bunch of sociopathic liars. But schadenfreude is probably banned in post-Brexit Britain."
I feel bad for them. Perhaps the worst part is realising you're fighting for a Country that isn't worth saving.