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I find your assessment inherently racist,but I would like hear more logical reasoning , if you have any of course.

1.The fact that you could buy neatly stitched Calvin Klein , H&M , GAP or Zara apparel is because some 'Trained and Skilled' bangladeshi tailor is stitching all of those clothes.

2.The fact that you could kick around Adidas, Nike, Puma, Select, Litto, Umbro, Mitre, Micassa, Diadora, Wilsoms and Decathion footballs around is because some 'trained and skilled' person in Sialkot is sitting and making them.

3.The reason you could wear stylish Adidas and Nike shoes is because , some'skilled and trained' vietnamese people in a factory somewhere outside Ho Chi Min City are making them !

I could endlessly add things to this list, which showcases how trained labour from south american countries , Africa , Eastern Europe and other parts of the world make stuff that is sold as 'premium'/'top of the line' products. I am not sure if you understand Globalization and International Trade enough, May be some research in those area might realign your perspective.

On a different Note , I am not sure if you might have thought there would be more Malware Apps on the Apple AppStore if there were 2 million more iOS/ Swift Developers. It suggests something about how you perceive Google Vs Apple's Appstore Approval criteria.

More developers leads to more malware developers. Combine this with a government with a proven track record of not responding to cyber crime reports, and you get a recipe for pain and suffering.

If you want cold hard evidence with this look no further then with the proliferation of fake Microsoft Service Providers, which was a direct result of continued efforts by North American companies to outsource IT support to India.

I don't give a flying fuck what the color of a person's skin is. And it is indeed a terrible tragedy to the endless number of talented Indian developers that their nationality is associated with malware and online scams. I suspect this is ultimately a result of being a nationality of 1.252 BILLION people, but having spent countless hours recovering users devices who were unfortunate enough to fall to such criminal activity, I can't help but notice a recurrent theme and have an incessant need to call out the butterfly effect of such initiatives in naive hope that something will be done about it.

Furthermore the Apple Appstore Approval criteria is absolutely relevant at reducing malware on Apple's platform, as well as the countless other barriers to entry of developing for Apple such as having a god damn expensive Apple computer, and the fact that Android devices are infinitely more popular in third world countries due to the cost of the equivalent Android phones and phone plans.

But no I'm probably just racist right.

Again, the racism card is getting really old.

We were able make are own overpriced, shoddy quality GAP and Nike apparel long before sweat shops in Asia were popular with our wealthy capital owners. The only difference is the execs of these companies only earned 50x the rest of us instead of the 300x now common. It's amazing what child labor, wage arbitrage, and lack of unions can do for profits.

I feel bad about the shitty conditions for these workers, but I am tired of being told to feel guilty and indebted to everyone on the Earth.

Logically, if at least one of those 2 million developers releases at least 1 malware app more malware apps will have been release to the play store. Although, they could be arguing that regardless of race introducing a large group of people to introductory training will lead to more "bad" apps if that group doesn't have access to more experienced mentors and/or senior developers especially with regards to security. But, he/she was probably just being racist.

You are definitely right about this, unless you have constant access to senior developers and mentors - It requires a lot of effort on the part of the 'learners' / 'trainees' to level themselves up. But once again, large subgroups have effectively converted them to world class workforce without any external interference at all.

Reid Hoffman visited Shenzen last year , and made some really interesting observations. I'll try and add a link to his article, But I think the essence of his trip was - How small groups built ,tinkered , hacked, learnt and became technicians by themselves ( in often cases even without a college degree). On top of this they also layered , other cost optimizations , spoke English and were self made entrepreneurs. I have seen similar trends in other parts of the world too, though not at the scale of Shenzhen . In the City I come from , a certain suburb was well known for Automobile repair work - Most of them could disassemble and reassemble entire cars , and sometime construct a car from disparate parts ! This eventually turned to a smaller version of 'Orange County Choppers'.

Its really hard to create/recreate such environments,but may be thats what Google is trying to do here. Or May be they are trying to build something similar to the 'Manufacturing' examples I gave above.

Nope you were going down the right path. More developers === more malware developers. Combine that with a government that gives no fucks about reports of cybercrime within their borders, and you get a recipe for malware proliferation. But no I'm probably just racist!

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