Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook
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Come on, Mark... your stubbornness sometimes works well in making product decisions, but isn't working well in this strategic context. Free Basics rolled out in all these other countries by interacting with 'the political system', regulators, governments (not to mention telecoms.) But it was grassroots activists who stopped you in India. And you still haven't learned that what we want is not better management of regulators, but net neutrality. It blows my mind.
It is exhausting enough to have to oppose telecom networks and other industries in their efforts to turn the Internet into Cable TV (by creating different tiers and segments of the internet), and meanwhile every few months Mark wants to lunge into the conversation with this nonsense. Facebook should be helping preserve net neutrality worldwide, not putting their energy and resources into undermining it.
India wants the same Internet that Mark used to create Facebook in his Harvard dorm room. Accept nothing less.
I think it comes down to how one measures progress. Sometimes you have to work with corrupt governments and monopolies because the alternative is really null. I'd much rather give a lot of people access to basic services than no access at all--in fact, one hypothesis is that people will eventually be able to afford standard internet service (censored or not).
Eventually, more informed citizens will demand better regulations and more accountability from said corrupt organizations. We can't do it for them, they need to do it but they must first be empowered. Hell, a lot of the people who will benefit could care less about net neutrality when they're starving and have very few opportunities!
It's the startup way--minus the complete disruption, isn't it? MVP, then iterate, iterate... A complete disruption is just laughably impractical.
Disclaimer: I used to work at Facebook, but these opinions are entirely my own.
I think the MNCs (multi-national corporations), particularly the tech MNC's, don't give a shit about countries. And why should they? The cyberspace domain doesn't consider things like borders or nationalities first-class citizens. They're just trivia.
On the internet, everyone is a few milliseconds away.
The awkward part is that most of the development of internet-based tech is happening in the West, so when it's offered to the world it looks an awful lot like Western governments intruding, since the MNC's default is their home country's laws.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" -- Upton Sinclair
He's not a moron. He absolutely knows this is what we want. He just doesn't care, because he's rich enough from selling our privacy to buy all the mansions around his to protect his privacy.
A whole generation of poor people in India and elsewhere growing up believing that Free Basics === The Internet? Sounds like the sort of captive audience most tech companies can only dream of.
I wouldn't be surprised if everything he writes went through 10 layers of PR and lawyer approval and departments making sure that it absolutely certainly doesn't offend anyone, cause any potential for lawsuits, doesn't divulge off-brand information, or hints at things that haven't been approved by the rest of the company.
"Corporate speak" is shorthand for that ^. It happens when you're the face of a big company.
Facebook is the primary method that billions of people across the world use to stay in touch with family and friends. It's one of the most important pieces of my life and something I come back to almost every single day.
And no, I've never worked there nor will I ever. I don't own a single share of FB stock. I'm just a user who appreciates the value of what he uses, or at the very least, can appreciate the value that other people get out of a product that I myself may never use.
2. you don't know what the primary method billions of people use is. you're presuming and projecting. your own life and habits is not the life and habits of others.
3. it doesn't matter if your have a financial or material interest or not. this is a non-argument.
Other than that, you don’t have to be working somewhere to have a positive stance about the place. We’re not cheerleaders, we’re just opinionated people. No one is accusing you for promoting Facebook’s agenda out of personal interest. So chill, all is good.
remember, we're talking about value for FB users, not value for FB customers (i.e. advertisers).
Reading this made me sad.
Maybe the fact that reality is clearly contradicting your intuition about value is important? 1 Billion-ish people find Facebook valuable. You disagreeing with them just makes you wrong, or maybe lacking in empathy. I didn't understand the value in ridesharing. I still think it shouldn't be nearly as popular as it is. But that's me not understanding reality; it isn't reality being wrong.
Well, that is if you only view facebook.com, the product. But the tech that it supports and develops can be pretty cool. Oculus, React, and all kinds of research stuff. A bit like you don't necessarily regard Bell at anything exciting but it still finances Bell Labs which is pretty cool.
But I realize that's not what we're talking about.
The fact that they apparently share the same edifice and orifice is a reasonable source of confusion, but nobody should be under the illusion that "Mark Zuckerberg" and Mark Zuckerberg are the same thing.
I thought there were some smaller positive changes in him after his daughter was born. Time will tell what kind of a world he wants his daughter (and future children) to live in and what he would like to be known for.
It started as a place for dudes to see if girls had boyfriends. Now, it's all about using people's baby pictures to sell advertisements.
I don't know why women would want to use a service that is so inherently anti-woman.
So from FB's point of view, they probably don't want to live in a world where someone else makes the world a more connected place than them.
[1]http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-18/bad-moods-...
I don't know about anyone else, but giving people Facebook-only service and calling it pretending that's the same as full internet access is not my idea of "more connected". Free or not, that's an insane level of lock-in.
One bizarre consequence of zero rating limitations is that in Angola people started attaching pirated content to Wikipedia articles to create free filesharing. http://motherboard.vice.com/read/wikipedia-zero-facebook-fre...
It's impossible to overstate just how bad it would be to allow Facebook to define what is and isn't "the internet" for billions of people. I'm continuously stunned that anyone would defend their efforts in this area.
Can you think of a way to provide internet to everyone in the world that wouldn't involve a powerful entity who's intentions worry you? Maybe distributing mesh networking tech? Well, that would have to be developed, manufactured, and distributed, AND maintained. Who's going to do that? A charity? A consortium of charities?
After reading it, my conclusion is that it will be negative, unless we consciously discipline ourselves because of how self-reinforcing it can be (ie we start consuming only media that we agree with, unless we consciously decide that could be bad).
[1]: https://www.amazon.com/e-topia-Urban-Life-Jim-Know-ebook/dp/...
As Facebook keeps accumulating users, and as users accumulate "friends", the SNR decreases and makes the product experience less valuable, notwithstanding the efforts they make to "optimize" the feed. Mine is mostly filled with things I'd rather never see.
Facebook is a social network that mostly reproduces geographic social networks, but that doesn't connect people based on affinities. The people discovery mechanism is close to non-existent. People in your Facebook neighbourhood are people who most likely live in your current, past, or "work" neighbourhood.
Are there any social networks that try to dynamically create communities/"neighbourhoods" based on behavior? (e.g. upvote a post and you get "closer" to the poster, with symmetric behavior for downvoting, and second order effects propagating to other users based on their own upvote/downvote of said post).
Apologies if that's too vague, I'm thinking out loud here.
It's amazing how you can wind up on a subreddit and realise that you're nowhere near the bottom of the rabbit hole that you've been calling a hobby for the past n years.
I don't know if this qualifies for what you're after, though, because these communities are:
* based on users actively seeking out forums based on what they consider themselves to be interested in, and
* each community is centred around a single topic. There might be a subreddit for people who love Fraggles and a subreddit for people who love pop-tarts, but no subreddit for people who love both Fraggles and pop-tarts.
Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster.
Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.
EDIT: For those who aren't intimately familiar with the Google & FB plans for global internet coverage.... you shouldn't so quick to assume that it will only provide access to facebook.com (I happen to know many of the people working on both projects). This is like the people deriding Elon for building the Tesla Roadster first for the wealthy. Progress is a process that requires strategy, planning, and thoughtful rollouts.
And no, that isn't altruistic enough.
Besides the fact that Musk's plans are impressive and admirable regardless of altruism. No one is asking or expecting Musk to forego making boatloads of cash. He is and will continue to be wealthy, and that's the entire point: it's possible to do good without doing charity. Likewise, it's possible to do charity without doing good.
Charities are altruistic, and even then it's more theory than practice. For example, when charities altruistically donate food to starving people, they can either send armed guards along with it, or watch the food taken by the local armed militia and sold for profit.
Dumping anything free into a market always distorts it, and that's after you figure out how to afford the cost of providing the free thing in the first place.
http://blogs-images.forbes.com/parmyolson/files/2016/02/1271...
He just looks so happy with his zombie army.
Elon wants us to sit in our cars and spaceships like zombies.
Everything sounds bad if you tack on "like zombies" as an empty insult at the end.
http://www.thiel-a-vision.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/fla...
Perhaps more apt:
http://api.ning.com/files/bFPh39OVQGutOnwuJRXsBubBr1Jq6O1mbb...
Google has 7 products with 1 billion users, as explained in this article titled "Google has 7 products with 1 billion users." http://www.popsci.com/google-has-7-products-with-1-billion-u...
You realize that "organize the world's information" translates into "control the world's information", right? Just like "provide internet to everyone" translates into "control everyone's internet."
Google wants you to keep coming back so it can sell advertising. Facebook want's you to stay so it can sell advertising. Musk wants your eyes free to watch advertising while the car drives itself. Advertising wins every time.
Musk wants to change the world ... by selling you the products to do so.
Zuckerberg hopes he can change the world through the side-effects of a product designed for advertisers to sell stuff.
I mean, I can't think of anything else they could do for revenue.
There is no altruism here, he's trying to create an industry where he would be the monopoly.
Even if it was VC worthy, throwing all your money into two companies like that, when you're already rich, is not the sort of thing you'd see from someone motivated by money. The whole point of VC investing is to invest a little money in a lot of them to even out the risk.
Yet people think he's in this for more money. Hysterical.
Maybe he doesn't have much of an intention. Maybe he's just sitting on top of a rocket ship and looking around and going "okay, what now?"
All these narratives you're repeating--you probably picked it up from some news article or tweet--is just another way people package their own agenda. What you're saying is equivalent to saying police is much more important than scientists. The truth is both are important and it's foolish to say one is more important than another.
Basically you're comparing apples to oranges and saying oranges are bad because the guy who sells apples started a well packaged propaganda to sell more apple and you believe it word for word.
Strange to equate 140 characters to "scientists," but what do I know.
What's the point of going to Mars, if not to share the experience with other people?
Mr Musk wasn't known for wanting to save humanity in that phase of his life.
Google tells me Zuck's current net worth is $35B.
Sure, this might be inexact, but the latter number is about 200 times larger than the first.
He wants to spread a platform across the globe that "connects" people by isolating them in front of their screens/VR goggles. That's the grand vision in a nutshell.
1. How to backup your Facebook content and delete your account.
2. How to use non-Facebook services to share photos, organize events and talk to friends.
3. How to open an online trading account and purchase PUT options against FB.
In my delusion of grandeur I imagined this site going viral with the idea that if a critical mass of users decided to follow through on those steps then Facebook's network effect and user base would crumble and their stock price would plummet.
All that lost stock value would flow directly into the hands of the users that went through step 3... a legitimate capitalistic redistribution of wealth and a new opportunity for the world to define social networking is done.
I still kind of have stars in my eyes when I talk about it.
Some users strongly dislike Facebook and already have the motivation necessary to execute on something like this if you made the process easy. I suspect, however, that most Facebook users are either indifferent or genuinely enjoy the service, and it will be difficult to convince these people they should cease using Facebook. Citing privacy concerns or some of Facebook's well-publicized unethical behavior seems to me like it would mainly preach to the choir.
So how do you sell this?
I think that message could energize and wake up a decent number of people and if this generated momentum then it'd feed into itself.
The fact that a measurable decrease in users could create a panic in stock price that can be profited from directly is another selling point. I'm not well-versed in investment instruments, but I do believe that spending $100 on PUT options before even a 10% drop in stock price would pay off quite handsomely.
I mean, you may like Facebook... but it's not like you couldn't create a fresh account after you make a little money, right? How much money have they profited from sharing your personal information? Every large company can benefit from a reality check...
Dunno if that message would play to more loyal users, but my mental cost/benefit analysis for this idea seems pretty favorable.
I think if there are enough people willing to go through a convoluted process to help a Nigerian prince that it becomes a meme, then there are plenty of people who would be willing to go through the perfectly legitimate process of opening an E-Trade or Charles-Schwabb account and buying PUT options. Everything on the site would be verifiable by any financial advisor, though they may not understand/agree with the overall strategy.
And really this is just my personal musings, I have plenty of my own doubts otherwise I would be building this site and not openly sharing and commenting about it on HN.
... Of course, if some people here did think it was viable I wouldn't take much convincing to start putting it together...
Or are people just wiping his bottom because he happens to be making money (for now)?
Yes.