As long as you have that attitude, you'll be driving away users. How do you think you can improve your software to make it easier for users to "unlearn" stuff you think is bad?
As long as you have that attitude, you'll be driving away users. How do you think you can improve your software to make it easier for users to "unlearn" stuff you think is bad?
It's unfortunate that humans can't trust each other enough that saying "You'll like it after a few months" is good enough, but it's also an inevitable fact of life; for starters, the speaker might be mistaken. I don't think NixOS is for everyone, at least not yet.
And it's hard enough to run arbitrary software that, yes, you do need to learn the Nix language. In most cases it's as easy or easier to package the application for NixOS than it is to run it without packaging, which on the one hand is a benefit to the Nix ecosystem, but on the other hand can be a little annoying. There are workarounds...
But the workarounds require some unusual understanding to begin with.
I think one of NixOS' major flaws at the moment is documentation. There's the wiki, but it's both somewhat outdated and very much not comprehensive. As for Nix, it's been best explained in a series of blog posts, and as good as the Nix Pills series is, you have to find it before you can read it. It's also somewhat short on HOWTOs.
Most people don't like to spend hours writing documentation, though.
The existence of NixOS, and work done on it, is a massive positive externality. Even if it doesn't catch on, it's going to inspire half a dozen clones in the next decade or two. Unfortunately I don't see a good way to get more effort put into it, especially the boring bits (such as documentation)...
I suppose this comment is my way of trying to change that.
That said, note that it starts to be relevant when you're starting to write Nix expressions (meaning, write something in Nix language). Sometimes also when you want to read them and understand them. Which... is probably quite soon after starting to use Nix/NixOS, if you'll want to tweak some configs or add custom new packages. If you're really, really just doing first steps with Nix/NixOS, and/or just use the default packages with only simple tweaks, I'd say you don't need to read it yet (I personally wouldn't grasp enough basics then to understand WTF the articles are talking about at that point).
This won't ever change, but people might.
I'm not blaming them, I feel their pain.
This is common in technology all around, think about driving a car for 25 years with manual transmission and then trying automatic transmission.
> I feel like Nix lacks a clear vision of its future.
There's various high-level plans that I think have a decent consensus, but not enough people have authority to make things happen. This means that more interesting PRs often rot.
> focuses on desktop systems
Nobody actually prioritizes desktops over servers, and the core design is quite agnostic, but because Nix is over a decade old, lots of old code and documentation do make it seem this way.
> yet apart from Linux no other server systems are officially supported
Other unices work do for userland Nix, and darwin has official binaries which would be the moral equivalent of official support. Also check out https://github.com/triton/triton a fork of nixpkgs which aims to have a NixOS work with FreeBSD kernel, and https://github.com/cleverca22/not-os to better make immutable OS images.
Please don't say things if you don't know about them.
Just to prove my point, we've recently merged a branch for hardened compiler flags. This is mainly for server security.
At one point, sooner or later, you have to tell them they just need to learn the language.
I'd rather spend time explaining the language than teaching them workarounds.
Having said this, we already do have ways to dodge the language for example using imperative package management. But that's exactly how another such blog post could be written how it doesn't always work due to "freedom" that Nix tries to provide.
Lesson learned here is: pick your fights carefully.
Good user interface is not a workaround.
I don't think you understand the magnitude of the problem though. By not caring about user experience and forcing people to learn the language you are limiting your target audience to a fraction of professional programmers and pretty much closing the door to everyone else. This will not get Nix anywhere, really. Don't get me wrong, I think what Nix brings us is great and pretty much the only future for package management, but it's very obvious that it's not going to be the Nix itself.
That's said we've got some CLI stuff being rewritten and other work that will help new users.
There's no need to blame anyone, we're just caught in an accident of history. If there is a cause of problems, it's Nix's unconventional approach; but if Nix didn't take that approach it would be just another run-of-the-mill distro with no distinguishing features.
I'd rather live in a world where I can choose whether or not to use NixOS's features, at the expense of its rough edges.