Duet Display – Ex-Apple Engineers Turn Your iPad into an Extra Display
duetdisplay.com
duetdisplay.com
Pros:
- Simple to use. Install the drivers on Mac, run the program on your iPad, and go.
- Acts like any another monitor. You can adjust orientation with other monitors and resolution. Different choices in performance. Adjust vertical orientation on iPad and screen just updates.
- Very responsive, if not always very performant. No lag or jitter in image/sound, but graphics performance can be slower (lower FPS). You can play video games on it, but I wouldn't do it for a living.
- Sometimes you just want to sit down in a coffee shop and have a second monitor handy. This does that.
- Touch screen triggers mouse input, if that's useful for you.
Cons:
- Your CPU is doing all the graphic card duty. On my i7 at retina resolution, you'll chew 50% of a core. This will eat battery and your machine will run warm. But not hot, like a video game.
- Odd graphic issues when you also have a secondary monitor plugged in through HTML. Works just fine, in general, but sometimes it will loose track of what to refresh or update on the monitors. Disconnecting and reconnecting always clears this up. Most often happens when I lock the computer.
- Sometimes, it just gets confused about connecting. Again, stop and restart the app on iPad fixes it.
It's not perfect, but it works well enough that I certainly don't regret getting it.
It's a neat idea but I think I only kept it running for maybe a few weeks, then took it down again.
It's also worth noting that OS X is not optimized in any way for touch input, so using any of the controls is pretty rough.
what about a keyboard in that case - can I have a keyboard on the ipad and it works with the closed mac?
But who were they at Apple and what did they do there ? Does Apple endorse them in some fashion, do they have privilege access to some technologies ? In what fashion is that relevant ? Outside that branding, there is nothing in there that back that claim with anything concrete.
There is nothing wrong and the application can be indeed great, but this marketing tactic raises all my alarms. Without the positive comments here on HN, I would not even have considered trying that product at all.
Now, what position they held definitely will make a difference. But the reason they're not specifying it could be to avoid any violations of employer agreements they had at Apple.
For example, saying "I've worked on the mac desktop interface team and know the architecture and worked with the codebase for X years so I can implement the same (proprietary) architecture" would cause trouble, Obviously they won't be as blatant as this, but it is better to occupy the vague corner and still reap the ex-apple recognition.
This is very obviously trying to feed off Apple's fanbase.
It made me do a double-take when I saw the Windows logo in a screenshot as Apple would never market that, not that it is a bad thing, just that the branding of this app's marketing strikes too close to Apple's.
How would you market this product?
You can now use other Windows 10 PCs as wireless displays and project to them in any display configuration as long as they're on the same local network. It can also reroute audio output from the host to projected PCs, and even reroute input (mouse, keyboard, touchpad, touchscreen(!), pen(!), etc) from projected PCs back to the host.
From my experience so far it has worked impeccably well. There is a bit of input lag and the occasional compression artifact, so hardcore gaming is definitely out of the question, but it's more than good enough for regular media consumption and browsing.
I really can't wait to see something like this land in more OSes.
Cool that it's now built in to windows!
[1] http://blogs.microsoft.com/next/2011/09/09/microsoft-downloa...
Similar leveraging of raw wifi has been done for Bluetooth, where it would coopt the wifi radio to do bulk data transfers. Not sure how many devices support it, particularly after wifi direct was released.
I just wish wifi direct had something akin to OBEX that Bluetooth bundles. Makes sure that two devices can talk to each other in a meaningful manner.
I found that there is a noticeable latency for older iDevices with 30-pin connectors. This latency seemed to disappear when I substituted a current iPad Air 2.
Just something to keep in mind for anyone interested in using Duet.
I'd love to know too.
Really like Duet Display, though I wish the output quality was a bit higher (there's a quality slider in settings, but even on maximum there're lots of JPEG-like artefacts on the iPad display, especially around text).
I've got a pile of old iPads that would be nice to resurrect as displays. I downloaded the Mac app but balked and left at the double-digit price. (not to mention the unknown in-app purchase)
I don't really care that most app's are cheap. They're also mostly awful.
I'll pay for good ones. I think we should do away with this attitude that all phone apps must cost next to nothing.
There's no way to know the quality of this app until the money is paid.
I have a Mac. 1K+ is not throwaway money to me. I don't see a way to evaluate it. If there's no way to know if it'll work for me before putting down the money, then forget it.
I grew up poor, so believe me, I can understand watching my pennies. I have to figure if you're on HN, and you've got a pile of old iPads, $19 bucks should not be that bad for what it gives you.
Now when I am on the road I can have two displays too.
Great app!
I have already saved myself time in the few hours I have used it not having to switch screens, or download files to my iPad. It will pay for itself in one day at most.
I downloaded the Mac app clicked the "don't forget to download the iOS app!" link, saw $18.99 - and deleted the download.
(I realise $20 is actually a low price for a piece of software, but I don't _need_ this, and $20 is more than I wanted to spend out of curiosity.)
One other complaint for me - it proudly states "All iPads!" than says "iOS7.0+", which leaves out my still working original iPad which can't upgrade to 7.0... That was kinda frustrating.
I'd happily settle for the old-school 72dpi screen resolution, and I'd happily settle for very slow screen update rates (it'd still be useful to me to have irc/email/slack/notifications sitting next to my monitor at even 2 or 3Hz refresh rates instead of 60+fps... I don't need it for playing fast-twitch first person shooter games...)
The disappointment of reading "All iPads" and thinking "Awesome, that's a great use for my old iPad!", then having them say "Except for you, Ah ha!" underneath was a little galling...
Downloading now...anxiously had to ask, since the download is 129 MB!
Everyday I wake up there is some new tech I was wishing for yesterday ;)
BTW, the Pencil works, but no pressure sensitivity in CSP, Clip Studio Paint, the old Manga Studio Pro. And, I can't pinch zoom, which is weird, since I am using it on my Sony VAIO Flip 15, which has a touch screen, and I can pinch zoom on it.
Oh, well, it is good for notes, and a second display and for my OSC music projects.
Does Duet do any better?
To test reboot. Run Duet. Start Chrome. Go to google maps. Your machine should start in integrated GPU mode then switch to discrete. Close the maps tab and a few moments later it will switch back to integrated. Each of those switched is usually seemless but with Air Display was janky in the same way some monitors are janky when switching resolutions. Curious if Duet had the same issue
It also has Mac and iPad support.
The biggest problem may be that (at least on the website) it only lists compatibility up to Android 4.4 but it may be worth checking on newer versions - that may just be a failure to update the site.
When I was playing with it it was functional and reasonably stable, but ended up not being all that useful to me because I was used to working on a single laptop screen most of the time anyway.
A decade later achieving a similar thing using more recent technology is so difficult that it is noteworthy.
I dont have a point. It just seemed an interesting comparison.