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> there are also plenty of people who just have this unused hole in their phone.

Having a useless hole doesn't inconvenience them, but taking it away inconveniences a large swath of people who use it daily.

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Well, you can always choose another phone. Except you can't really, because you want Apple. For any other manufacturer there wouldn't be any discussion about the missing plug, people would just laugh it off and choose another phone model.

Yeah the Moto Z and LeEco already sold millions without a headpone jack before the this week

Do Motorola and LeEco plan to omit the headphone jack on all new phones?

pretty sure my 6 will last me a lot longer than I originally expected it too

It takes up space. Is rather see that extra space be used for more battery than to make the phone thinner, but I'd rather have a thinner phone than one with a headphone jack.

If they had given us something we wanted, in return, we might feel different.

It's not thinner, it's just missing a headphone jack.

They added a second speaker.

Then, with all respect, my comment was not directed at you.

The premise of your comment is that removing the headphone jack inconveniences people who use it with no corresponding benefit to anyone else.

I guess they messed up with the new headquarters, should have made it more of a disc

There's a free adapter in every box. If you keep it plugged into your headphones, how is your day going to be any different?

I can no longer charge my phone and listen to audio at the same time. Something I do at my desk every day.

Apple Lighting Dock makes your desk look better.

No worries, Apple's got you covered with AirPods

Which last 5 hours, and also can't be charged while in use.

I guess you could buy two pairs and swap them out...?

Luckily you get a rechargeable charger that lasts up to 24 hours. Furthermore, "you can charge the charger and charge the earphones at the same time". http://www.avclub.com/article/apple-courageously-forgets-put...

So? Unless I can wear the case on my head to charge them while I use them it doesn't help.

Give it a month or two. Someone will ship a dual adapter.

I plug something into my phone's headphone jack in my house, my girlfriend's house, her car, at friend's houses, and at work. That means I'd need to carry the adapter with me or have one in each place. Not the end of the world, but certainly more of a pain than before.

The adapter will always be on your existing headphones though. Nothing to think about all the time.

What makes you think it's headphones, much less the same set, being used in all of those locations?

Then spend $9 and get an extra adapter.

How many $9 adapters (that will never work with a non-Apple device) does it take to admit this is a downgrade from the user perspective?

Not for most people. I just use the headphones that come in the box. My girlfriend doesn't use any headphones. Neither of us will need the adapter, unless we want to use one of our old iphone headphones.

Hope you don't plan on using the ones in the box with any non-apple product (or even any apple product without a lightning port)

I count 5 different 3.5mm jacks I use on a regular basis (work headphones, gym headphones, car, girlfriend's car, home stereo).

Now I need to buy 4 additional adapters from Apple for $40 or carry an adapter with me everywhere I go?

nobody says you have to upgrade...

I lose headphones and pens faster than I can buy new ones. How much does the adapter cost when sold separately?

But then again I don't buy apple in the first place.

I hate to break it to you but it's highly probably that many Android phones will be removing the headphone jack:

http://www.androidcentral.com/moto-z-doesnt-have-headphone-j...

The headphone jack is a waste of space, and redundant. Fortunately, it'll be a USB-C standard.

Long term digital out over USB is really the only solution that makes any sense.

DACs and additional signals processing should be fine tuned for their respective speaker/microphone drivers.

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