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Are you sure you don't get it? This stuff pops up because some of the community here are ideologues trying to score "points" off of this, regardless of whether or not it is appropriate of the situation being discussed. Any excuse to push for more tax cuts.

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I guess I either assume they're sincere, or if not then they should at least be aware enough to realize that it's a bad argument. I realize this assumption may not be very well supported, but it can be hard to adjust.

Propaganda doesn't have to be a good argument.

Yes points. And perhaps there's a larger discussion about what the role of the federal government should be is now discussed in our daily lives, not just hacker news, with such topics as student aid debt forgiveness, basic income, mandatory health care, etc.

And also maybe it's an example how power can be purchased with social programs.

Also points. Gotta get those points. I hear someday I'll be able to cash them in for bad karma debt forgiveness.

valid things to discuss. while doing so you might want to start form the point of having an actually relevant example to draw from? why would you attempt to use Venezuela for that discussion? Are you honestly trying to assert that Venezuela's social safety net programs are _really_ what went wrong there?

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