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It's really hard not to see this as just a continuous and perpetual dumbing-down by Apple of all its products, to the point of uselessness for essentially anyone who isn't an 80 year old grandmother who's never used a computer before and needs to use skype.

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On the other hand, the touch bar might introduce opportunities for more sophisticated and flexible interfaces.

Will it, though? I feel like we're in the part of history right now where - when it comes to computers anyway - we're going with what's cool rather than what works. I'd say in general touchscreens have continued to be an utter failure as a general-purpose input device, and that's why we only see it on toy devices. Anything where what you type matters still uses some kind of mechanical feedback.

Maybe with haptic feedback that'll change, but for now any attempt to move mechanical keys to touch-screens are, for me, a net negative just because of the basic facts of reality.

Toy devices? Are you not exposed to modern mobile devices?

Anyone with a child that has access to a tablet can tell you that touch-input is succeeding.

I call it a toy, you express indignation and then use children as an example.

The way children use toys is not the way adults use tools. Touchscreens have proven great for "consumption" devices like phones, and have proven pretty terrible for most everything else.

I'm not being too hard on them I should say, but anyone who thinks traditional input devices will be replaced in general purpose computing with touchscreens ignores decades of history and basic physical reality.

How does your hypothesis square with the physical reality that a declining share of users use non smartphones for ANY type of computing activity, and sales of touchscreen only devices exceed sales of keyboard controlled devices by an order of magnitude (with that gap growing every year)?

I agree. Excuse the short comment I'm typing this on a touchscreen.

Look at how volume and brightness control is done on a Macbook. They took function keys and repurposed them into crude up and down buttons. To get fine control you have to hold down the Shift and Alt keys. If you want to actually use the "function" part of the function key, you have to hold down the Fn button.

A touch control there could present a more intuitive interface--tap the control you want, then use a touch slider to adjust with great precision.

Another idea I saw in a blog post was to put a scrubber control there during video editing. Currently the trackpad has to serve double duty controlling the features of the application, and controlling the scrubbing of the content.

The function keys are a UI mess. Each serves double or triple duty, and the duties sometimes change with OS releases. For example, the Dashboard key on my Macbook Pro no longer activates the Dashboard.

This is just like the situation on smart phones when they all shipped with physical keyboards. Each tiny button on my Blackberry had at least 2 different functions. As Steve Jobs said, "we solved this problem with a bitmapped screen and a pointing device."

The inventor of the escape character would be 96 today, had he not died in 2004 at 84.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Bemer

I think you are way off base. The user in question would clearly be using facetime :)

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