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It really isn't a course reversal, the people holding the purse strings seemed to have forced the DEA's hand into extending the period of public comment.

IIRC something similar happened with MDMA.

Hopefully folks like myself who have used Kratom to alleviate opiate withdrawal to great success will come forward and comment.

Anecdotally speaking, there are folks who have used kratom to ween themselves off of maintenance drugs like methadone and suboxone.

The withdrawals from long-acting maintenance opiates like these can last months making it nearly impossible to get off of them cold-turkey.

Switching to kratom, which has a shorter, more forgiving withdrawal, can be of great benefit to an addict looking to get off of these maintenance drugs.

For an addict, kratom stops withdrawals in their tracks. It doesn't get you high, and taking more to get high would be pointless.

To an opiate-naive individual kratom will at most give a mild buzz. It's not like taking heroin, hydrocodone, or even codeine. just a mild buzz.

Kratom is usually sold as a powdered leaf. You can't overdose on kratom, because if you take too much of the powdered leaf you just throw up, well before you're able to ingest a dangerous amount. It's very self-regulating in that way.

You can't smoke or snort the powdered leaf. It is usually swallowed as a powdered leaf with a thick juice or simply brewed into a tea.

For those that may have read this comment and found it strangely familiar, I'll save you the trouble googling. It appears oxide regularly comments on opiate related threads, so his above anecdote isn't a copy of someone else's comment - it is just him re-stating his experiences he has posted before.

I mean no criticism of your story oxide; merely commenting for those who thought something might be awry.

I suppose I did start parroting what I said last time I commented here on kratom thread, yeesh.

I ought to have qualified it with a disclaimer if I was just going to repeat myself. I feel it's decent basic information on kratom for the uninitiated, but I didn't mean to parrot myself like that. It's been a long week.

My apologies, and thank you for clarifying.

The powdered leaf also tastes like ass, and to take enough to feel anything is a bit like doing a saltine challenge, so its also self-regulating in that way :)

I'd argue that an opiate naive individual on 10g of red vein would be feeling VERY mad nice, considering that dose has me, not opiate naive, feeling mad nice. Definitely at the very least as strong a feeling as codeine

I haven't taken that high of a dose, nor have I taken red vein, but the guidelines I've read suggest that at 10g you're likely to experience uncomfortable levels of nausea if you don't have tolerance.

I agree, you'll likely puke if you are opiate-naive and try to "toss-n-wash" (swallow a spoonful of leaf with a thick juice) 1/3rd of an ounce of powdered kratom leaf.

someone like that should start with just a few grams, approximately a teaspoonful. it's also normal to not feel anything at all the first few times you take it.

for someone opiate dependent, that dose is enough to halt the physical symptoms of withdrawal and alleviate some of the emotional symptoms, albeit for a short time. if you want to quit opiate abuse badly enough, that's just about all you need.

Do you hang out in irc often perchance?

as a matter of fact I just got around to installing an IRC client for the first time in years.

sorry about the line breaks.

Ha, funny, different kratom shills I'm thinking of then(I say shill as a joke).

Hope you join us on free/quake/ef/rizon.

Cheers~

(I'll never forgive you about the line breaks)

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