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What later came out was that apparently Russian soldiers were killed because they were present at the position where the US bombed and that about 30 US/French soldiers were killed in the bunker Russia struck in retaliation.

Where did this 'come out'? Either of these, as you describe them, would have been a major international incident.

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> "Where did this 'come out'? Either of these, as you describe them, would have been a major international incident."

Just because it's not talked about at length by the mainstream media, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Take a look at these two videos:

http://youtu.be/0E0QQ6HD1qs

http://youtu.be/_grZK1hqExk

Both of these are commentaries and neither are about what the OP describes. The claim is that dozens of Russian, US and French soldiers have recently died in Syria as a direct result of Russian and US bombings. I can't find any evidence such a thing has happened.

So the US bombing and killing Syrian troops during a ceasefire isn't a major international incident, but the same situation with a few Russian or French troops mixed in would be?

Where did I say that? The poster claims French, US and Russian soldiers were killed. I don't think this ever happened. You produced some links to supposedly substantiate that claim but they don't. Now you want to outrage-pivot to something else. Did the incidents in the post take place? That's the only question I raised.

I'm suggesting to you that you're getting hung up on the wrong details. The point is that the US intentionally broke a ceasefire, killing soldiers that were fighting against ISIS. You seem to be only interested if Russians were involved in the deaths. Surely it's the breaking of the ceasefire by attacking anti-ISIS forces that's the main story.

For what it's worth, I'm not aware of any Russians who died in that attack.

No, the point was 'West suffers from secrecy because X thing happened' where X seems to have been completely made up. I don't think this is 'getting hung up on details'. You seem to want to argue about something entirely different but I'm not really interested in that, I'm afraid.

Okay, so you were more interested in the secrecy angle.

It probably helps to think of secrecy under the broader term of information management. If something isn't secret per se, but the information is suppressed so that it doesn't become common knowledge, isn't the outcome broadly the same? I'd argue that's what we're seeing here. That's how the US is getting away with arming Al-Qaeda (or at least former Al-Queda) to fight against ISIS, for example, even though they frequently fight alongside each other. If the US public was more aware of this then there's be greater pressure to stop, but that pressure is virtually non-existent due to the complicity of the mainstream media, helping to keep it away from public debate.

infowars probably

It was reported in Austria by ORF which is our national broadcasting channel. What they report is at least from our governments perspective uncontroversial.

Also Israeli media reported this.

Can you find a link to this report? In German is fine.

wo bist du in diesen tagen?

I follow the war closely, 30 US/French soldiers were not killed nor were any Russians outside of their pilot killed while ejecting. Do you mean the the rebels or government soldiers they are backing got killed?

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