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wow tl;dr? did they find the plane or not? whats the big reveal? what did they blow open?

They didn't target the actual crash site, they targeted the ice flows downhill from the plane. Since it was a big thaw when they were there, they found a lot of recently melted stuff, including body parts which were rumored to be absent. They found magnetic tape almost certainty from the flight recorder, but due to shaky international relations and bureaucracy it's just sitting around without being analyzed.

Despite this, from their research its become increasingly obvious what happened. Bad nav, bad nav, bad weather, bad ground crew, language barrier, bad practices, and bad company policy caused the plane to come down.

this is as good a tl;dr as one will get. i tried to quickly skim the article and failed - it was just too damn interesting. I ended up reading the whole thing. it is such compelling writing, even if they think they don't have the time i urge anyone to give it the attention it deserves.

I meant to say this for a while. I'm increasingly annoyed by this "long read" format. It might be just because when I'm skimming through hn I'm looking for quick information rather than a long read. But it's at least partly because these pieces seem to have all been written by the same person. They have the same exact structure, which is probably taught in some journalism school: long winding narration, interspersed with flashbacks and side digressions, that present its subject as a suspensful adventure composed of multiple intertwining threads and leading to some unexpected discovery.

I understand that this format somehow works, but at the same time I can't escape the feeling of being served something out of an information mcdonald's, prepared and wrapped always in the same exact, proven and average way. And now when reading such a piece my brain screams "skip that stupid flashback and digression and that new character's introduction, say what you really have to say and let's end it here".

The problem is that the format you describe is employed whether or not the actual content merits the lengthy treatment. Sometimes its just a 30 second story jammed into a 10-minute container.

No, the problem is that even if a story deserves the lengthy treatment, it might not deserve this lengthy treatment. Maybe it deserves a different style, or narration. It's not that the only way to tell a long story is to start it in medias res, then digress to the summer of a few years before, then introduce a side character, then jump back to a mystery, then expand a side story a bit, then proceed a little forward on the main thread of the narration... it's just like randomly pouring salt and spices on a food to make it tastier. It would ruin the best of dishes.

I think for me the problem is more the headline than the article. If the headline was "How the flight recorder of Flight 980 Was recovered" I would have known what the article was actually about. In this case, I was frustrated because I wanted an actual answer to the question and that didn't come until the last part and even then it was just an educated guess.

That's a pity. One of the things I loved about the pre-2000's Outside Magazine was the quality of the long-form writing. After it was clearly turning into a yuppified Sports Illustrated, I kept my subscription only for David Quammen's excellent field biology articles. Then he left. And I cancelled the subscription.

It's a well written article, you'll find joy reading it. The conclusions are not the important part.

I did, it was just too long. The build up was too long, the mystery was too long, the intros were too long.

I don't have a short attention span, just no time for that!

I read it all for the express purpose of reporting my reading time to you guys (to contribute to the thread).

Reading fairly carefully and stopping to think wherever I wanted to (though by the end I was being less attentive) it was 20 minutes of very solid reading. That is a long time to read an article.

I think hexane's TL;DR is fine. I don't think everyone should feel like reading this whole article is the best use of their time.

Hint: the title is phrased as a question.

Nothing happened to Eastern Airlines Flight 980.

HN is not your personal Cliff Notes generator.

you say that but....

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