Please stop. I like PG's How To Argue, and this is not worth the time. You are taking too much time to police what isn't needed, cherrypicking of my words to whiteknight these guys. Let them object if they wish. And we'll have a civil discussion.

I'm making arguments about substantive matters that impact on the reception of the OP's argument. I say nothing about their character, and concentrate on their arguments. Method matters. But right now I'm more interested in headway on the original topic. Let's do that and go there instead?