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Hahahahahahaha. No. Women in the West do not have it better than men by a long shot. We have a presidential candidate threatenjng to sue to silence all accusers of sexual assault towards him. We have trans women of color being killed daily in the streets with no repercussions. And we have white dudes on the internet claiming conscription is just as bad as living under a society dominated by rape culture. Get out of your own head

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Not that it makes it ok but far more men than women are killed in the streets without repercussions.

Men are also way more represented in prison which I think has an undeniable rape culture.

That's not even touching on male underrepresentation in higher education...

Men and women both face unique challenges in the west. In many very real ways men are getting the short end of the stick. The problem a lot of people have with western feminism is that you can't even discuss such things or point out how the standard feminist narrative harms men.

Parent post here. And, you know what? You're very right about a lot of things. You might be really interested in hearing Bell Hooks speak (she has a lot of awesome talks up on YouTube). She talks a great deal about how feminism is for everyone and the patriarchal structures we live under harm both men and women greatly. Men being killed in the street are not being killed for being men, unlike women who are killed for being trans or refusing sex. Do you see the difference here?

We probably agree on many things but I do fundamentally disagree with the concept of a "patriarchy" (in the west). There's no need to gender what is essentially a synonym for institutionalized power. A lot of that power favors women (c.f. our educational system).

Okay, after that comment, I don't think I agree with you on anything. Educators are not in positions of power and we have not advanced past a society where gender can be separated from the spaces we inhabit. This weird victim complex of denying feminism is getting way too crazy

Educators are only in a position of power in the eyes of a child.

> Educators are not in positions of power

Well we definitely don't agree on that. Growing up I had no choice whether I wanted to attend school or not. It was illegal for me not to go. If that's not power, I don't know what is.

Also, if you really want to help get your point across you should look at your own interactions (which are pretty typical of feminists tbh). You say questioning your opinions is "crazy", you tell a sibling comment to crawl back into their "men's rights hidey hole". That's not the level of discourse we should be having yet it's modus operandi for western feminism.

Rape culture? In the west? Explain. Rape incidents have never been lower in America than in the last few years, as shown by fbi.gov and other governmental intitutes. And this despite many efforts of encouraging victims of rape to speak out. And despite the fact that falsely accusing someone of rape has no repercussions whatsoever.

Rape culture is not measured quantitatively by rapes reported/estimated. Please either go back to your men's rights hideyhole or actively get off the internet and start speaking to women active in the space of feminism to educate yourself on the subject. I will not be responding to you further

Evidence or gtfo. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

I presented my evidence in the form of official FBI statistics.

Rape culture isn't about rapes. It's about a pervasive culture of misogyny that constantly demeans, shames, and objectifies women. Please go out and become educated on the subject rather than getting all of your information on this complex, multifaceted subject matter.

I'd love to be educated about this topic. I am always eager to learn new things and broaden my horizons. I don't shy away from complex, multifaceted subject matters. It's just that, to learn, I need facts. I need something tangible and you fail to give me that.

https://youtu.be/KLMVqnyTo_0

Get cracking. There are literally decades of social discourse you are behind on.

Does this help?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/08/this-...

Or this?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/15/donald-trump...

Rape culture isn't about rapes.

Perhaps using more accurate names would make the education you're asking the parent poster to go get more accessible.

It seems detrimental to the cause to simply say "You are wrong, your evidence is wrong, and I'm not going to tell you why.", let alone the unnecessary insults.

I am not going to spend the paragraphs of effort to define my terms to somebody who has clearly gone through their life without bothering to even try to understand feminism. They have to go out and educate themselves at this point.

Why? The onus isn't on a person who has given you the evidence to prove you wrong to invalidate their own evidence.

You don't have to "spend the paragraphs of effort", just provide something which shows their evidence, which they base their stance on, is incorrect.

" being killed daily in the streets "

Do you have a source for that?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://...

From the front page of the site you linked (avp.org) :

  "22nd reported killing of a transgender/gender non-conforming person NCAVP has responded to in 2016"

So it's not daily, but there are multiple instances of it.

Edit: Also, I would not consider avp.org as a neutral sources on this matter considering their agenda.

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