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I absolutely agree with you about performance stuff, if you are in a position where milliseconds matter this may well not be the right way of doing things.

Also, to open up another interesting area, Linq operating on IQueryable objects can do some pretty interesting stuff in the background, merging sql queries and the like. I've never looked into if it does anything similar for IEnumerable - although I will should the situation come up.

FOR and IF are indeed valuable, but that doesn't make them not smells. For me a code smell is not an anti-pattern - it is just an indication that something has the potential to be wrong. If you are writing lots of IFs and FORs in your code that might well be fine, but it has a good chance of causing problems. Smells, for me, just mean "justify this decision" - not "never do this".

Things like FOREACH are good sane defaults, so the justification only happens based on what you are doing like in the performance example.

IQueryable actually is a superset of IEnumerable (implements it - https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.linq.iquerya...). It is generally useful if you want the laziness and ORM/ORM-like features. If you are using LINQ with SQL, then it would be better to return something like that for many use-cases. IEnumerable is good for general use of course and when you want to make the assumption that you "don't need" all that stuff which is pretty good one for more general cases where you just want read-only results or lazy read-only results (via things like yield).

I agree about potential. Nested FOR and IFs though raises that potential hugely. There is rarely a reason to be nesting more than a few levels deep. In many decades of programming, of course I have deeply nested, yet I have refactored it each time. I have managed to avoid doing excessive nesting the entire time as have most of my colleagues. I am sure someone can find a piece of code somewhere written for something that simply cannot be refactored well or justifies itself otherwise, but I'm not afraid to say statistically that is easy to avoid and hard to justify. I think the nesting issue just raises a bunch of flags including: performance, composability, reusability, clarity, maintenance, and cloaking. So in that sense I do feel it is what you describe as an anti-pattern more than a code smell.

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