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I'm long term Linux user and I played with Elementary sometime ago. While just after installation everything is great and beautiful, it changed shortly when I need to install apps outside the ecosystem. Experience gives you feeling I could compare to using old-java application on Windows 10.

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Along with seemingly everyone else, I had a quick look at my options to migrate away from Apple over the last few days. First thing I looked for was a decent mail app, was immediately put off the whole idea, exactly as you describe.

> a decent mail app

This is probably the most painful thing on desktop at the moment, because no one gives a s* to desktop mail apps these days.

I recently switched back to evolution from Thunderbird, but where one if great, the other falls short ( in this case, GPG with Evolution is _painful_ ). Geary is... well, not mature, Claws and Sylpheed are a bit too oldschool and mutt is ... well, mutt.

I'd love to see something like Rainloop[1] as a real desktop app. Mailpile[2] is a nice idea, but is nowhere even close to the usability of Rainloop.

[1]: http://www.rainloop.net/ [2]: https://www.mailpile.is/

Check my comment above (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12854312)

I recently switched to Mint Cinnamon and I'm completely satisfied. There is not one thing I miss from Mac OS X and many where GNU/Linux is much better.

As for mail, Thunderbird is not so bad.

Mint is much more polished than Elementary, I've never had a problem in my (limited) experience with it.

I did, very recently, with Mint 18, and never before. ( random lockups with Cinnamon, app crashes, etc. )

I'm still on the very same install, just switched to xfwm4 and tint2, and I'm quite happy.

Mint is better than most Linux desktops, but it still looks like a poor Windows XP skin from 9 years ago...

Well Geary (and the elementary fork Pantheon Mail) are quite good for basic use. There are still a few bugs and their codebases are quite hell to work with (see [1] for my review of them). This document motivates my little side project, but, lately, it hasn't seen much direct attention as I've been working on some stuff upstream, in elementary and Evolution, for this project.

[1] https://github.com/matzipan/envoyer/blob/master/README.md#re...

another problem is that you can't just upgrade when a new version comes out, you have to reinstall as if nothing happened, it was a turn off for me.

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