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I think there's a bit of a false dichotomy there. Some engineers are willing to work in a harsh, toxic environment if they think the founder isn't delusional and is actually onto something. I presume that's how Apple employees felt.

People are willing to put up with authoritarian assholes if they think their vision is worth implementing.

> If the founder was persistent, and the product did not achieve product-market fit, it was a delusion and toxic work environment.

survivor bias.

One thing I've noticed in my life is that people first look at the conclusion and then come up with an explanation.

The explanation is just a story, not an actual prediction.

It's an entirely different story for companies like Microsoft. Microsoft is more of a nerds/engineers company. When I start my powershell, it takes 15+ seconds and regularly crashes. I don't think Steve Jobs would be too fond of it.

Yeap. This right here.