Source? Or are you saying that the existence of gravitational waves constitute a proof of the existence of gravitons, due to wave/particle duality?
I'm not a physicist, but all I thought we had detected were gravitational waves.
I always thought this is the case. But IANAP either. Could anyone with actual knowledge chime in?
In any case, though, noone has managed to quantize gravity yet (i.e. describe gravity as a quantum field theory with gravitons as force carriers), so we've detected just gravitational waves but no gravitons.
In these theories, gravitons are quantizations of the weak-field perturbations.
The non-renormalizability by power-set counting of gravity because it is a long-range force is a good result of perturbatively quantized gravity. Who knows if there is a workable way of renormalization by other methods? Not me.
Since we don't get strong gravity except close to a black hole singularity or in the extremely early universe, it's unfair and premature to say that the EFT approach has been unsuccessful.
I suppose I should have said energy, not mass, but unlike a photon which can disappear into nothing, leaving just the energy, a gravitational wave can't ever vanish entirely, so it's more like mass in that regard.
And don't forget that a wave can travel at the speed of light even if the wave is carried by massy particles that can not.
I would love an example of that!
This sentence is wrong. I'm not sure what you mind with "photon which can disappear into nothing, leaving just the energy", but gravitons [1] can do the same thing.
A gravitational wave is made of a huge amount of gravitons, it's like the electromagnetic wave produced by radio transmitter. I´m not sure if with your classification the electromagnetic wave produced by radio transmitter "can't ever vanish entirely".
[1] If they exist. I'm almost almost sure gravitons exist. There is still not a good quantum gravity theory, but I strongly believe that we will discover it in the future an it will include gravitons.
I'm not convinced they can vanish, unlikely photons there is nothing that can stop a graviton, they are able to travel through all matter.
So given they have unlimited range, how would one vanish?
> A gravitational wave is made of a huge amount of gravitons
That is not established at all!! Not to mention it's mathematically identical to saying gravity is made up of gravitons, and we certainly have not established gravitons exist even for plain gravity.
After all a gravity wave is just a modulation in gravitational force, not some new entity.
>> A gravitational wave is made of a huge amount of gravitons
> That is not established at all!!
Completely agree. My conviction that they exist is based in many assumptions. In particular that we will someday have a quantum gravity theory that will be correct and that it will integrate nicely with the other physics theories. It's a good guess, but it's possible that we will not know the answer for hundreds of years.
Yes. Except gravity actually interacts with any particle with energy, not just mass.
> so a big heavy wall should stop them
No. There is no way (as far as we know) to shield against gravity. Unlike charge, we don't even know of any way to attenuate it, never mind shield.