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Even though I appreciate the quality of the new translation, on the translation example on the image with the 2 phones, I find the old translation more insightful (even if not grammatically correct) than the new one. I.e. I prefer: "No problem can be solved from the same consciousness that they have arisen" to "Problems can never be solved with the same way of thinking that caused them"

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I vastly prefer the second one. Perhaps you like the first because it uses fancier words? But it's very hard to understand what it means.

[Insert article about finding nonsense profound.]

The first one feels more poetic or something but is less clear, it makes no sense and isn't even grammatically correct.

Odd. I think the latter is much clearer, at least out of context.

We just need someone who speaks fluent Einstein to stroll by and tell us.

The comment here disputes that Einstein would have meant consciousness:

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Albert_Einstein#Einstein....

The first one still needs tweaks, to be perceived by a native speaker as fluent: either

a) "the same consciousness from which they have arisen", or

b) "the same consciousness they have arisen from"

But either is still clumsy because of the repetition of "from" that they necessitate.

I just tried this and they improved even more since that blog post got published:

"Probleme kann man nie mit derselben Denkweise lösen, durch die sie entstanden sind."

"Problems can never be solved with the same way of thinking through which they have arisen."

Quite impressive, imho.

I agree, this seemed like a poor choice for demonstrating the improvements in translation. I would personally translated it as "No problem can be solved via the same manner of thinking as caused them".

I don't think "via ... as" is grammatically correct. It certainly sounds awful to me.

"...as caused it."

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