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Generating Videos with Scene Dynamics

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Once, when waking from a nap, I was able to consciously keep my "dream eyes" open with my real eyes closed. I could vividly see images my dream was still generating, and it looked a lot like this.

Makes me wonder if I'm just influenced by the work happening in ML, or if we are really approaching what the brain is already doing.

People may call BS, but I do think we'll reach a point where we can generate coherent books or movies. It'll take many more neurons, but I think the possibility is out there.

The real question is where these "fake" pieces of art will be placed in our society.

I could live with that. One scenario I could imagine, a program "dreams up" a movie. Critics then proceed to interpret it and explain what it's about. This is already pretty much the situation for some movies... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166924/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Future prediction capability here can greatly improve video monitoring of all kinds. Run a constantly trained system like this in real time over incoming streams and let the agent observe generated predictive videos N units of time ahead.

>These videos are not real; they are hallucinated by a generative video model.

I'm not sure why, but the fact that they used the term "hallucinated" is a little unsettling.

Maybe because ML is starting to enter its own uncanny valley, where we can't quite decide whether to view the results as machines or minds?

If you take the view that consciousness may simply require a sufficient degree of complexity (electronic or otherwise), it gets even more murky.

Especially so when you're trying to pin down the facets of cognitive machinery required to experience suffering. Memory in particular adds an interesting dimension to the question.

Not that it was anything groundbreaking, but HBO's Westworld did a decent job of exploring this. Granted, it did so using fictional human-level analogs.

With the state AI in its infancy today, the ethical considerations surrounding insects may offer more insight. I found this article extremely fascinating:

http://relaximanentomologist.tumblr.com/post/51301520453/do-...

Westworld is also dramatized to make for interesting TV. For example, deaf people without a voice in their head would not be conscious by their definition.

Consciousness, and suffering, are biological concepts. Computer code running algorithms on microprocessors aren't going to experience these things.

I wasn't suggesting Westworld was some comprehensive scientific study of the matter. Rather, that it did a decent job exploring the relationship between suffering and memory, and some of the complexities that entails. For example, memory wipes intended to reduce suffering inadvertently creating more suffering via the unsettling emotional side effects involved.

>Consciousness, and suffering, are biological concepts. Computer code running algorithms on microprocessors aren't going to experience these things.

You seem so confident in this being the case. Who is to say cognition cannot exist on silicon?

If you accept the supposition that cognition is a requium for emotion, and emotion is a requium for suffering, then a digital organism need not have the pain receptors of its biological counterpart in order to experience suffering.

Interesting article! I always find it really irritating to see arguments of the form "X creature doesn't have Y biological feature therefore it cannot have Z experience that humans have (even though we can't explain why humans have experiences at all)." That's how you get horrifying and nonsensical things like performing surgery on babies without anaesthetic because "they can't actually feel pain" even though they're exhibiting every sign of it.

Interesting this only used 11tb worth of video.

Makes me wonder what this could produce with youtube's entire library.

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