I don't think of HN like a product meant to make money though, more like a big ad for YC
That is dumbing HN down a lot. This community is much more than that: hackers share cool articles, have vibrant discussions and the comments section is probably the least toxic of all comments sections. YC related posts are very popular and YC itself is promoted heavily, but the community is much more than just YC.
Hell, as a casual user and a corporate employee, YC is the only startup incubator that I know of.