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> The problem, the real problem, was they just didn't get it why I wouldn't want to spend my evenings and nights, and weekends in the office fixing bugs, writing code etc. They really didn't get it. By "they" I mean my colleagues and managers there.

Hmm. The Koreans around me do get it. They gripe about it all the time. It's just inertia holding things back. But there are changes; around me I hear more and more of former employees litigating against former employers on contract issues, and succeeding. There's still much left to do in the way of labor law enforcement, though. But it's not "헬조선" for no reason.

> Your team might have been a bit different on this but in my team it was difficult to communicate in English. And so was outside.

Of course, imagine a Korean immigrant in the US writing "it was difficult to communicate in Korean".

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> Of course, imagine a Korean immigrant in the US writing "it was difficult to communicate in Korean".

This is a bit unfair when the company we're talking about goes out of its way to recruit and relocate skilled workers from overseas to Korea, knowing than most will never have the time or motivation to learn the language to a professional level.

And yes, I know that shoving English down the throats of 97% of your employees isn't too cool and doesn't make a lot of sense in some teams, but English proficiency is one of the requirements to get a job there. It'd probably be more efficient to have an English only "global division" with mostly (but not only) foreigners, like Rakuten has in Japan. Fun fact: over the period of a short year, one of the two EVPs of my division wasn't a Korean speaker.

> This is a bit unfair when the company we're talking about goes out of its way to recruit and relocate skilled workers from overseas to Korea, knowing than most will never have the time or motivation to learn the language to a professional level.

This is correct, except it's often not the people (generic) you end up having comm difficulities with who made the strategic recruitment decision, which is why things don't work out all the way down. Language barrier and not wanting to put up with it is a legitimate way to want to get out, personally, but I sometimes hear the complaint publically voiced in a way that's at least unempathetic (e.g. toward the amount of stress and embarassment being required to speak English can cause Korean employees). Which then creates follow-on strife like Koreans complaining to me that "Americans are arrogant and only want to speak English wherever they go", and so on, and so forth, which puts me in an awkward spot.

It's best to go in expecting a language barrier, and doing the reversed-roles thought experiment helps.

If you don't know how to speak Korean, go back to your own country.

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