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I think conservatives could stand to learn a few of those lessons as well. I'm referring to the massive amounts of spending and the creation of the TSA and the DHS under Bush.

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That massive amount of spending on DHS, TSA, ... amounts to right wing social welfare. Conservatives are not going complain.

"Conservative" politicians or conservative voters? I'm not sure they are they same. Every conservative I know has no love for the TSA or DHS, but I'll agree, politicians are not going to complain.

You are confusing conservatives with libertarians (a confusion facilitated by the manner in which conservatives have—especially over the past ~50 years, though obviously the "states rights" line goes back much further—selectively adopted libertarian rhetoric to rally opposition to policies that they disagree with for other reasons.)

I written elsewhere that I don't see any distinction between libertarians and conservatives. Rather I see libertarianism as a flag of convenience, a pose. Gary Johnson was a Republican governor and ran in the 2012 Republican primary before running as a Libertarian in the general. Bob Barr was a Republican congressman and House manager of the Clinton impeachment trial; he is a Republican again today; he supported Trump. Ron Paul retired as a Republican.

Zero difference. At best the LP serves as a safe and convenient parking place for quasi-protest votes.

There's a substantial difference between libertarian and conservative ideology, even if both are, in the US two party system, often found in coalition within the Republican Party. (One of the effects of the electoral system in the US and the way it reinforces partisan duopoly is that ideological coalitions are not express coalitions between parties, but covered up under veils of unity within the major parties until someone else feels that their faction isn't getting enough attention within the major party and splits for a third-party as a protest.)

Where you see a difference in ideology, I see a difference in posture. I think you'll find 'libertarians' somewhere between mute and meek in their criticisms of Trump. This is their former standard bearer:

http://townhall.com/columnists/bobbarr/2016/12/14/of-cabinet...

Who the hell is "Bob Barr"? Was he married to Roseanne?

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