Sure it takes a while to load and there's bloat, but the bloat is everywhere now.

On the bad site of the JVM and assorted Java tools is that they are second class citizens of the unix world. The command arguments are all messed up, much like a windows tool ported to unix, and the interaction with the rest of the unix stack like sockets, files are all solipsistic and off, which leaves an ill stink on everything touched by it.

One of the things I find funny with java is the once upon a time much touted security model, fast forward a couple of years and the event of android - using the unix security model and none of the java stuff.