Victorian Era Drones: How Model Trains Transformed from Cutting-Edge to Quaint
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You can see this happening to trains in the 1920s and thirties, when the high speed trains of the era adopted a "flyer" moniker (e.g. the "Philadelphia Flyer" express train -- and now "Flyer" apparently lives on as the name of a model train system). The term arrived as flight began to take over as the cool new transportation.
In the Atomic age we had "atomic fireball" cinnamon balls and the "bikini" swimsuit.
But my favorite of all is a toy waggon from the 1930s called the "radio flyer" which, though a simple kids' wagon, managed to adopt two high tech trends in one name, though it had nothing to do with either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Flyers#Colors.2C_...
It was the result of a naming contest.
Having been to a model railroad show or two, every model train/town/yard is a model from the 1950's, 1940's or 1930's. Nowhere did I see any bullet trains or maglevs or modern cities being modeled. I always found this depressing, as if the hobby only had a past but not a future.
I'm Gen X and my dad wanted me to be into trains, but honestly I never cared much either. His toy steam engine was cool, and powered many inventions, but all the screwing around with train sets to end up with just making it go around and around...yawn.
We both enjoyed playing with it, for a few years. Partly, it was fine to race the trains against each other, and to see how we could reconfigure a limited amount of track into anything more interesting than an oval. But, more importantly, I think it was the only "toy" my dad would join in with.
We visited some preserved railways (there are many in the UK). In the 1990s, the old guys volunteering to work in these places didn't mind if a parent took some 10 year olds round the workshops. There would usually be an entire locomotive, disassembled down to the chassis, and we could walk underneath in the inspection pits. I could see big engineering up close, and it wasn't impossible to understand. I remember being unable even to lift one of the massive spanners they used.
Plenty of people work on restoring old cars, trains and planes. When I was about 12 I realised the old train men were rather tiresome -- streams of disparaging remarks about anything newer than 1970, and "electric" was almost a swear word. The engineering was fascinating, but they mostly stood around and grumbled about modern times. I don't think that's the case for people who like old cars and planes -- they tend to appreciate new cars and planes as well.
Moral of the story: When you solder upside down, wear eye protection.
Well, in America. In large parts of Europe, and some of Asia, they're OMG-WOW noisy if you're standing close when they go past at 300km/h [1], although quieter than a car when inside, and somewhere between faster and way faster than a car. Children on a train are either used to it as a primary means of transport, or are making a special journey.
> as if the hobby only had a past but not a future.
That's exactly my feeling. Lots of my dad's friends were into model railways, and I saw too many of them. Still, the only time I've seen models of modern railways has been in larger European stations, where they're presented as a toy for children to play with [2].
[1] Or even just 200km/h: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT34kTytUmw
We're transitioning from a "large cheap real estate" world to something where we're a lot poorer (someone is certainly collecting a lot of money off it). Also each generation is a little lower on the socioeconomic scale on average which is a reversal of past centuries of growth.
Therefore hobbies that require a lot of physical real estate space and a modest pile of cash such as model trains or ham radio (at least HF work) or serious fine/artistic carpentry are all going to be kind of elderly gentleman-ish. I would theorize recreational gardening would fit on this list. Possibly more exotic cooking techniques fit this, are most sous vide system owners over 50, I bet they are. I bet almost all people remodeling their kitchen spending $50K to do it with commercial grade appliances are over 50.
Who is more likely to have $1000 and an empty basement, a 25 year old college grad living in his parents basement and driving Uber for beer money unable to pay his student loan or ever own a house or have children, or a 50 year old software engineer living in a burb house purchased before the worst of the housing bubble struck? Then take a wild guess what the customer look like at WoodCraft store or HRO (ham radio outlet) store or the friendly local independent hobby train store. Its beginning to have a demographic impact where store opening hours reflect retired people more than the few working age customer's preferred hours, seriously you guys call yourself a retail store but you close at 5:30pm every day? Well there's always Amazon if I need a saw blade or whatever...
Now as long as humanity continues to supply a continuous stream of 50 year old guys who've "made it" financially, those hobbies will continue in perpetuity. In fact ham radio is growing at an impressive rate. The "elder" population is generally predicted to be increasing. I would predict as the odds of "making it" get ever worse for college grads and ever better for skilled craftsmen and building trades, more stereotypical blue collar hobbies for old men will continue to grow, probably good times ahead for recreational carpentry and maybe not so good long run for ham radio.
The other problem is an aspect of intensity of experience. Building a really small railroad is extremely intense compared to passively watching someone else's video, however nice the video might look. A good analogy of model railroading vs VR railroading would be its like the difference between having sex vs setting relationship status with each other on Facebook. This intensity wall is likely to be a huge barrier along the course of VR adoption. Another analogy would be its like the difference between taking a long trail hike and snapping a pix to remind me of the experience of hiking, vs just finding an pix on google earth of the same vista. The point of the experience was never the pattern of photons on my eyes retina, that was a side effect of the action. Another good analogy is I've been to F1 races and watched them on TV and its an entirely different experience.
Personally, it can be a great broad spectrum application of engineering, history, art, programming, electronics, and machining.
Check out Minatur Wunderland, the most elaborate model railroad in the world.[1]
A bunch of work to build something that runs around in the carpet on your floor in a slightly elaborate loop? Not so fun.
And so then you might dedicate some space, or a room, or garage to building a scene.
Now you've got more and more time, attention to detail, and oh yes, much more money for building models, decorating, etc.
What might have been worthwhile in older days is now an older person's hobby because it's _really easy_ to spend thousands, if not tens of.
Culture changes, and the vast majority of children today are like "Dad? What is a Dad? You mean mommies friend?" or "Dad hobbies? Dad has no hobbies because Mom took all his money and his house in the divorce.". Naturally those kids are not going to grow up interested in "Dad Hobbies" other than by accident. There are other interesting aspects of the de-masculin-ization of childhood.
To clarify: whimsical, curious tangents are fine on HN. But veering into generic controversy leads to two badnesses, flamewars and predictability.
[1] http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/14/men-wom...
Construction equipment is still a classic boy's toy, where trains are just outside our experience.
Given the mens-rights flavored text in your original, I doubt you are actually looking for engagement here, but giving you the benefit of that doubt: Defining "masculinity" in ways that start to sound like "how much better things were when I was a kid" is an almost certain sign you are being superficial in your analysis. If you dig in a little bit (and there is a ton of interesting writing on this and related) you'll find there is a lot to learn.
To your particular scenario: I know men who spend time with kids programming robots. Are they somehow less masculine than other men I know spending time woodworking with kids? Or others who spend time cooking and baking with kids?
If you believe they are, please defend. Honestly, I'd like to hear the reasoning because it sounds laughable to me.
I think your point is something like its very Millennial to have no "traditional crafts and skills", low agency, low levels of self help, etc. I'd believe that. You do make a convincing point. See the rebellious response of the Maker movement which decades ago would have merely been called learning to be a responsible "grown up".
The problem with your culturally/economically masculine examples of programming and being a chef is you can pull a graph from images.google.com of something like "children living with mother only" and apparently it varies staggeringly with race and time. Such that when I was a kid less than 1 in 10 of my peers grew up with a single mom and no Dad in the picture, whereas half of black kids today have no "Dad" in the house. So it matters not that we're discussing mere subjects like carpentry vs arduino programming, no Dad at all means neither subject will be in the picture.
I'm sure there are lost feminine arts in the culture. Sewing homemade clothing. Being a stay at home mom. But those were not article topics anyway.
Edited to further point out we're arguing over which binary is the only binary factor to matter, whereas my point is regardless of how much "Dad Hobbies" have cratered culture-wide, getting rid of 40% of Dads from kids lives over the same time period is just going to make whatever decline there is, 40% lower yet. I simply don't understand what could be controversial about that.
This was done to isolate the issue of defining "masculine" activities by a historical, rather than contemporary view - i.e. are we to prefer children learning (arguably) less practical skills because they are either novel or not historically "masculine"? That's a sort of cultural conservatism that biases any further discussion if you aren't very very careful.
Cooking and baking was added as a bit of a curve-ball, because it is both a male-identified and female-identified activity under various lights. But this gets into the whole messy subject of normalizing gender identification of activities, which is perhaps best avoided. As is the characterization of Millennials, or superficial analysis of the impact of single parent environments. At the very least, all much deeper waters than I have time to get into here.
In short: growing up with a table-saw in the basement is a terribly proxy for masculine involvement in that childhood, today. Thinking about it in those terms is self defeating, and undermines whatever value defining "masculine" activities in this context may have (which is a whole other can of worms).
I'm further more extremely cautious of any approach that wants to talk solely about harm done to men, due to losing 'traditional' masculine hobbies, but not talk about the similar near total loss of 'feminine' hobbies and the cottage industry that widely drove revenue for stay-at-home mothers.
I wasn't sure if it was just awkwardly unintentionally worded, or a bit of semaphore for a load of unpleasant nonsense - so wanted to calling it the latter and burying any discourse about the potentially interesting issue of the perception vs. reality of "masculine roles" (and if that even makes sense).
Then I remembered that 'grain of truth' is how these sort of philosophies continue to survive, and insinuate themselves into common discourse. So I am ignoring that single grain an focusing on the rotten conclusions that veer too closely to the sort of rhetorical landmines that have historically been damning to society.
If you are going to call out a specific ethnic group, or push politically sensitive buttons then you need to bring out arguments with a much higher standard than 'grain of truth'.
I hope this isn't too much of a rant, I simply wanted to clarify because usually I am the one helpfully playing devils' advocate but I simply couldn't do so this time.
Growing up I did plenty of home construction like putting up a wall and adding drywall etc. But, if I was going to put up shelving in a closet I would go to IKEA.
Until they actually do need to change the tire. Typically, though - long before they notice - they become a footnote (and horrifying image) on "/r/justrolledintotheshop".
Seriously - take a look at that sub-reddit - there are so many who know absolutely nothing about automobiles.
For instance there's also a thread on some specific model car site about a guy who needed to change his oil, and somebody trolled him to flush out the old oil by running the engine and dumping -water- thru the fill hole and out the pan - needless to say, then engine was ruined. While they identified who told him to do that, nobody could believe that anyone who was attempting an oil change would do such a thing - but there you have it.
It be like somebody asking how to restore a file they deleted, and telling them to remove the drive, turn it upside down, and smack it hard with a hammer, then re-install it. There are more than a few people who would actually do such a thing! And yes, I know about the old trick to free up an aging MFM hard drive...
The reality is if you buy a new car you can hit 100k miles with standard maintenance and no real mechanical issues. 60 years ago you where lucky to hit 15k miles before something happened. And when cars where new you better bring a mechanic for any long trips.
I'm trying to blend both. My boys do participate in all the modern things, team-oriented, yadda-yadda. But they see me using the lathe, metal mill, welder, etc in the garage, and I've taught them how to use the machines too. Pretty much the image that VLM is describing. When I bought a compound bow for myself, I also bought them one each, and taught them how to shoot.
I mean, it's a lot of fun. Plus, if anything needs fixing, now I can delegate the task to the kids. :) Woodworking, metalworking, 3D printing - between all these hobbies, they could pretty much fix anything.