Comment by michaelbuddy | Hacker News Reader

Comment by michaelbuddy | Hacker News Reader

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I saw the Pizza gate content rise up from seemingly out of nowhere. Thing is though, the core of it, without making any specific accusations is there is really weird stuff going on in those emails from wikileaks dump. Strange coded language when they are talking about kids and pizza. And that pizza restaurant had some really strange things posted on their social media too. (Strange enough that they would later delete it.)

After looking long enough at it, basically PizzaGate warrants just as much suspicion for me as any JFK theory at this point. I believe there's something to it. There is a mountain of little details that make it impossible to flat out deny it, I just don't go as far as levying accusations at people withouth knowing facts. Others have accused people w/o evidence beyond a reasonable doubt and I think that's wrong. I think the police should be interested in Pizza Gate, and I think a few of them are. But again I don't go further than that.

What people think bubbled over Pizza Gate was that guy with the gun who went in the restaurant. But actually that smelled like a hoax to me. It just seemed wildly incomplete and a convenient way to say "See what fake news does!" And that guy had a strange background with him, and the media chose NOT to go too deep into his story either. It was like they just needed that for their narative.

Contrast:

> [Weird emails...] I believe there's something to it.

vs.:

> [Guy discharges an actual weapon] actually that smelled like a hoax to me.

Yeah. We're done here.

"yeah we're done here"

You're proving my point. Precisely BECAUSE somebody discharged a firearm, in your mind now the case is closed it's ALL fake news. I'm saying that the reporting on this guy is light, but we're supposed to dismiss the strange coded emails now. Nah I think I'll continue to keep my eye on it.

Lesson learned for anyone want to sweep something under a rug. Just pay some mentally ill person to discharge a firearm nearby, say they did it because Jodie Foster or Alex Jones told the place was suspicious and then CNN will ensure to brand the act as a "lesson of fake news" and impossible to discuss now.

> Precisely BECAUSE somebody discharged a firearm, in your mind now the case is closed it's ALL fake news.

To clarify (but not debate, like I said we're done): I'm pointing out that your willingness to believe in "something" about pizzagate based on nothing but email inuendo yet your inclination to disbelieve that a guy who shot actual rounds into the air and got himself arrested and charged was sincere are... sorta in conflict.

You aren't being serious. You're just believing what you want to believe. Feel free. Maybe there are some, um, "news" sources you can focus on to further reinforce your priors.

False flags are inexpensive, sometimes free and they are deployed a fair amount. I am being serious when I say that it's suspicious that the media just with with their mile-wide inch-deep coverage of our air shooter and we're supposed to just follow them with their "see what fake news does!!!!" spin around the block. Nah. Like I said, I'll stick with my skepticism on this one until the media goes deeper into our shooter. Looks like our shooter's family has some political connections besides. Until then he seems like more of a convenient patsy to me. Gut talking there.

Side topic, St. Louis recently had a pizza incident make the news. Odd.

It's interesting that the concept of'fake news' rose up out of seemingly nowhere at the same time...

The concept didn't, only the term, and the subsequent retroactive continuity applied to it.

If you were paranoid, you might think that the 'fake news' push served two objectives:

1. As a psyops to stop the potentially very damaging allegations against powerful senior Washington DC political operatives on the eve of an important election.

2. To repair the damage to the mainstream press, who were steadily losing paid readership.

Both of these objectives have been successfully achieved however you perceive it.

Meanwhile the mainstream press is flooded with click bait advertising while at the same time pushing 'we are the only credible, trusted news source' messaging to readers, along with begging requests for funding so they can continue with their work.

The reality is that investigative 'reporters' were either let go or resigned in disgust from the MSM around the time blogging became a viable means of disseminating writing and making money.

We are now in an era of crack downs on free speech and debate: it will be interesting to se whether the mainstream mastheads can regain their 'trusted voice' relationship with large numbers of readers, or whether there will be an increase in cynicism and mistrust. Pravda, the old Soviet newspaper/mouthpiece comes to mind.

An example of that

https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2006/06/22/there-is-truth...

> If you were paranoid, you might think that the 'fake news' push served two objectives:

>1. As a psyops to stop the potentially very damaging allegations against powerful senior Washington DC political operatives on the eve of an important election.

If you're referring to "pizzagate", if you were paranoid you might also think that was the psyop. Paranoid people think a lot of things.

>Both of these objectives have been successfully achieved however you perceive it.

I'm not certain that's true. Damage to the mainstream press hasn't been repaired, and the people who believe in pizzagate still believe in it, and it was covered by the mainstream media, albeit briefly and as an example of, ironically, the fake news phenomenon.

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