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"Product managers" are people who hold the title "product manager", and I've singled them out because they own the release schedule. Substitute whichever title you like.

"Bona-fide researchers" are people who find and report flaws in good faith, as opposed to researchers who find flaws and sell them to organized crime. I use the term "bona-fide" because that's what it means: "good faith".

I use the term "researcher" because that's the convention.

That's not why you put scare quotes around the term.

An infinitessimal fraction of all computer crime is ever seriously investigated. If you want hard stats, no argument I can make will satisfy you. I'm fine with that.

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1.) Product Managers don't own the release schedule.

2.) Ah, organized crime, but none of it is ever reported. Lack data much? For an "industry" that supposedly values transparency, the total absence of data seems odd.

3.) Why are you telling me why I put scare quotes around the term "researcher"? I told you why. I'm not lying.

1 & 3) I find it curious that you feel free to define your own meaning for scare quotes, but have a problem with him defining "product manager" as "the person who owns the release schedule." I think Lewis Carroll wrote about how that works:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humpty_Dumpty#In_Through_the_Lo...

2) You won't find that kind of news on CNN, but it's out there if you know where to look. Try DarkReading or F-Secure's blog, just to get started. There are many botnets out there right now. Even some controlled by Russian mobsters. There are places where you can buy, sell & trade credit card numbers. There's a TON of crime out there, but for people who don't deal with it, all you hear is the occasional, "Company X had a data breach affecting approximately Y users. A company spokesman wants to assure you that everything is all right and that the very same company that allowed this breech to happen will make sure that it quickly vanishes from the public eye."

Finally, you don't know Thomas as you indicated in a post further up, you might want to read this:

http://www.darkreading.com/security/management/showArticle.j...

In case you're wondering, it's really not uncommon for people who deal with computer security to take the time to find out who they're talking to online. You might be surprised at how often it proves useful. And I'm practicing what I preach here, because I only know him by reputation.

For what its worth in my experience in enterprise administration for a 10,000+ computer network at one company, and a 4,000+ computer network at another, computer crime is _never_ reported, rarely receives a cursory investigation, and a full investigation is forbidden by policy.

I define computer crime as a successful network intrusion where an attacker gains access to the internal network, which occurs at a frighteningly high level.

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