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Go has always felt more like "a language created by Google engineers" rather than "Google's language" which Dart seems to be.

Compare golang.org with dartlang.org: the former does not mention Google in the front page at all, where the latter does.

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Isn't kotlin the new dart now?

Genuine question as they have more in common than just curly braces it seems.

I know they are _different_ but the question is: is it possible (not completely stupid...) that the future of those languages is going to be a merge (kord, darlin? ;)

Kotlin is the new Groovy. Runs on the JVM, uses Java classes. Dart may replace the JVM.

They have kotlin-native so they can do something a'la... crystal? It's an early stage, yes, but kotlin goes beyond jvm.

Kotlin is the new Scala, in that it's competing for mindshare in the statically-typed JVM language space. Apache Groovy is a dynamic language, originally intended to complement Java. (Although there's been a static mode since Groovy 2.0, virtually noone uses it.)

I don't think Kotlin is quite a new Scala. It doesn't try to fit the same niche. Scala is the bleeding edge kitchen sink, that happens to also be on JVM because, hey, existing libraries! But it doesn't try to be a better Java as a language. Whereas for Kotlin, it's the whole deal.

I would say that Kotlin is filling the heretofore unfilled niche in the Java ecosystem, that was in the gap between Java and Scala.

Dart is available on Android and iOS via Flutter (in alpha):

https://flutter.io/

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