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In short, the sale of a product does not allow you to control what is done with the product afterwards through patent law.

I'm assuming this is almost similar to attempts to use copyright law to stop the sale of products on the grey market. http://www.bipc.com/court-rebuffs-attempt-to-use-copyright-l...

I do wonder though, if they changed the underlying software on the cartridges they would get into trouble. I do not see this stopping John Deere's practice of locking up their hardware through copyright laws. https://www.wired.com/2015/02/new-high-tech-farm-equipment-n...

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John Deere's stuff can be seen as a legal quirk that actually SHOULD be unconstitutional and the [EFF's Apollo 1201](https://www.eff.org/press/releases/cory-doctorow-rejoins-eff...) project is specifically aiming to find just the right case(s) to take all the way to SCOTUS to declare this.

I was under the impression that John Deere's restrictions were licensing-based. But maybe they rely on copyright as well?

They did, untill it they lost the ability to do so under the DMCA back in 2015. All though they could be re-allowed in 2018. The library of Congress gets to reinterpret it every three years.

It will be renewed: there is zero evidence of John Deere being harmed by others performing warranty-voiding repairs.

That and it effectively divides up lobbying power against the DMCA. It doesn't matter if the analog loophole effectively dooms all forms of DRM on music, video, and books or that video game DRM is always hacked within a few months. What matters is that snake-oil salesmen have convinced Hollywood that it's a good idea and they have a very effective lobbying group.

Software licenses are copyright licenses.

No, as in the machines are licensed from JD, and therefore they can't modify the software.

Interesting that even with importation fees, it was cheaper for Costco to import watches.

That's especially likely to happen when manufacturers are deliberately trying to charge very different prices in different markets (like you see in a lot of parallel importation cases).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_segmentation#Geographic...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination#Internati...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_import

On the right day, you can get a high end watch for a lot less than going into a boutique.

I bought a Omage Aquaterra, with the big white dial for $1400 years ago. This watch was going for $3500 in the authorized retail stores.

Swatch took Costco to court, and lost.

There's no factory warranty, but most of these new high end watches will keep perfect time for 10 plus years. Oh yea, Costco does have some watchmaker that supposedly repairs watches. I can repair, so I don't trust anyone anymore.

It's too bad companies continually screw Americans on price, on so many products--the medication cost difference really bothers me.

Besides the obvious battery life and water-resistant depth, what is the functional difference between that $1400 watch and the $20 Casio I just bought for my girlfriend?

people who like expensive watches (ie other rich people) can tell that his is expensive, so he's part of the ingroup. it's an impractical amount of money to spend, even at his steep discount, on something that is also functionally outmoded for most people by smartphones, and thus acts as a high-cost (honest) social signal.

some people also like sophisticated physical mechanics (likely including GP, since he can repair watches), but i believe that's typically secondary.

It's kind of interesting that we've come full circle. We started with pocket watches and moved to wristwatches when it was too inconvenient to take something out of your pocket to check the time in the trenches of WWI. Now we've transitioned back to pocket watches in the form of a phone because it's "more convenient."

High end watches serve the same function as jewelry. They're also magnificent pieces of art and engineering in many cases.

If you just want something that keeps time, the $20 Casio is fine. In fact, most people I know just look at their phones. However, there's elegance and sophistication present in a luxury watch that you don't get with a simple digital watch.

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