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See also from 2014 "New Mexico dairy shuts down after undercover activist videotape". A dairy that supplied Leprino was caught on video treating cows horribly. Leprino seems to have responded reasonably.

> On Thursday, Denver-based Leprino Foods, for whom Winchester Dairy was a supplier, announced a program that requires its dairy suppliers and farmers to comply with new company guidelines regarding animal care. Leprino, the world’s largest producer of mozzarella cheese and a supplier to fast-food chains nationwide, has said that it was “extremely repulsed” by the video.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dairy-farm-video-2014121...

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> Leprino seems to have responded reasonably.

In line with his "ethics" principle that comes after quality and price.

Anyway, if you value the wellbeing of animals going vegan is pretty much the only to me. There's no such thing as animal-friendly meat or bio-industrial dairy.

But then there would be no cows.

Define "no cows". There are plenty of animals we don't eat that continue to exist.

Right, but those animals aren't as naturally helpless as a domesticated cow.

I think it was just a joke to rile up the vegans.

Cows don't really exist in the wild. I guess we could have some in zoos but we mostly keep animals around that have a purpose for us.

One could make the argument that evolutionarily speaking, being domesticated (usually then eaten) by humans is the most reliable survival strategy for any species.

I'm not making a judgement one way or the other in this case, but 'cruelty in creation' is something that may need to be considered more in the coming years.

Pugs are my favorite example-- always in respiratory distress, abnormally short life spans, and unable to normally reproduce.

It isn't some kindness that we create pugs the way we do-- just a gap in traditional morals.

We may confront this more should we find we've created an intelligence with the capacity for emotions.

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