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> ... managed to grab the attention of the developer community with cool marketing

I am not sure I would call a very good talk at jsconf "marketing" nor would I think of Ryan Dahl as "the new DHH" especially when Ryan has been known to "wish for less node.js hype".

It seems you dislike the attention node.js has been given instead of node.js itself.

> Contrast this to reports of NodeJS crashes.

This belies an assumption that node is production ready, even though it is at a very low version number, and when Ryan has stated that he would not dare put it into production standlone (not behind nginx).

Basically, I think you could have better promoted ringo.

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I don't dislike node.js (I don't agree with the direction). I just believe that RingoJS is a better solution for the majority of developers. (NodeJS may be better in niche applications like chat systems, a gaming server etc, even though I believe that technologies like GAE's forthcoming Channel API are even better)

You think an awful lot of your opinions. While confidence attracts, it came across to me as a bit blowhard-ish. ry and DHH didn't really talk big talk until they had walked a big walk. Perhaps you should focus on making a great product, let the "market" decide, and then focus on self-glorification?

EDIT: Oh yeah, I forgot to say... RingoJS looks great. Keep up the good work :)

I thinks it was clear: it's not my product, I am a user of RingoJS. Hannes and the rest of the developers deserve the credit, and the glory...

Yes, and the way to win people to your way of thinking is to tell them that it's because of "cool marketing" and that it is a "toy." Swell!

The OP's advice is sound: Stop making groundless rips on the other tool, and talk about why Ringo is better. Even "better" is totally subjective, because it depends on what you WANT from a tool.

But instead of saying "If you like x, you'll love Ringo!" you basically resorted to telling those of us who love node that we're stupid.

I frankly don't care. I've seen Ringo in action and I looked at the code, and I didn't like it at all. The points you gave it in its favor don't matter to me, either. I think node is vastly superior.

But, I'm not sniping about it in inflammatory blog posts. I just. don't. use. it. That's what you do when you don't like something: you don't use it.

Getting all aggro just makes you look childish, and causes people to ignore your message.

I'd appreciate a couple of observations regarding what you "didn't like at all"; while I don't think that every tool has to cater to every taste or requirement, you are, AFAIK, a long-time (client-side) JavaScript developer, and getting honest feedback from that clientele would be extremely beneficial for the project.

You're not going to like any of my feedback because our views are polar opposites. :)

Pray tell me how you got inside my brain and found _that_ out!

Seriously, whether I'll like your feedback or not doesn't really matter; I'm certain it will be valuable in either case.

I don't have any technical problem with NodeJS.

My problem with NodeJS is that it practically stopped the progress on the CommonJS discussion group, by moving the attention from important issues like a standard library, module transport, etc to non-issues like async. What a pitty...

async is the main reason to use NodeJS, and it supports the older module spec. I'd rather no standard library than a sub-par one.

Ah, yes. You called it a toy because toys are known for disrupting the progress of other projects? That's what toys do, I suppose?

You're backpedaling. If you're going to rant, own it. Otherwise don't rant.

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