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But no macOS - despite a few warts and declining quality, still the best desktop operating system available.

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Realy have they finally replaced finder with something as usable as filemanger in windows 3.1

What do you have against finder?

its hard to work with and it hasn't changed in essence from the pre OSX Mac Operating systems

I mean specifically. Is it a UI thing or something more technical?

Unless you've used something better than Finder, you will have no idea how much it actually sucks.

I say this as a Mac user that's used Linux for most of his life: Finder sucks. I don't feel like hashing out all the reasons for why right now. Nothing I say on a little Internet forum will change that.

Yeah, my experience with Mac is that it "just works" after extensive configuration file edits and dozens of helper applications. I have never modified any other OS to this extent to get the basics working.

You could give this a shot: https://cocoatech.com/#/

It's been fairly well received.

> declining quality

[Citation needed]

I agree that it's all about macOS, and I'd use it even if it WERE "declining," but on what basis do you make this comment, besides personal anecdote?

That's based on a few dozen anecdotes over the past half decade - workplaces almost fully on macs. More and more common wi-fi issues, battery/charging problems with latest MBPs, display issues (especially with external monitors), ever more frequent system hangs and weird behaviour in general (locked up processes, memory trashing), animations like mission control keep getting slower unless it's a fresh system, half-assed incorporation of iOS design, continuity hardly works, unreliable bluetooth (and useless outside connection peripherals). App Store has been taken over by crap and marketing scams. They've also been opening the enterprise program to more and more customization (= more crap pushed onto your machine root system, outside of your reach). I might be forgetting something.

I'd still prefer a brick to the face over having to use Windows for work :)

That's up to personal taste. I have every day contact with macOS and can't stand it.

Could you describe what you don't like about it? For all we know it could be that you don't like the color choices they made.

Here's a good rundown of where quality is declining with the OS: http://www.nicholaswindsorhoward.com/blog-directory/2016/7/2...

File management and some UI paradigms in general. Terminal.app isn't very comfortable. Package management feels hacky and various things seem to work better with various managers. And the need for 3rd party package manager for basic stuff itself. Absolutely terrible OpenGL drivers. The way library linking is implemented for the bundle files is horrible. Troubleshooting is hard. And those are just first things from a quick dump out of my head, I could type more.

macOS seems like a better, Unix-based Windows for me. Better than Windows, but that's pretty much the only thing I can say about it.

Depends what you want it for.

If you are doing things that need decent GPU support, you are shit out of luck.

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