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I’m still looking for a product that provides firebase-levels of ease of getting up and running (no API to design, rule-based authentication, etc) , but runs on your own infrastructure, off of a traditional RDBMS.

Someone tell me they’ve found the holy grail?!

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We're a popular alternative, https://github.com/amark/gun

Some cool differences:

- MIT/ZLIB/Apache2 licensed.

- Graph data structures (document, key value, tables, relations, and more!)

- Decentralized like IPFS!

- Alpha prototype for end-to-end encryption and user authentication / permissions security.

And a bunch more :).

We offer this at appbase.io, it runs on top of Elasticsearch (no vendor lock-in) and a cloud native version that you can run anywhere is now available in preview at https://store.docker.com/images/appbaseio.

FeathersJS provides a layer between your database (RDBMS, NoSQL, ..) and your client, which gives you similar functionality as firebase.

https://feathersjs.com

Edit: Minus rule based auth.

You should check out Hasura (https://hasura.io/)!

It is exactly what you're asking about.

Disclaimer: I work at Hasura. Feel free to ask me anything you want to know about.

Woooo.. Interesting. I'm going to download it now and give it a whirl. Will get back to you with feedback (if you're interested).

FYI, I couldn't even get it running because "hasuractl.exe local start" is not a valid command with the version of hasuractl (0.1.12) you have available for windows on this page:

https://docs.hasura.io/0.14/ref/cli/hasuractl.html

Sorry about that, we have deprecated local feature, but yeah docs lag behind.

Please login to https://dashboard.hasura.io and create a free trial project.

"but runs on your own infrastructure, off of a traditional RDBMS"

"exactly what you're asking about"

"deprecated local feature"

Eh?

yeah. The search continues.

the following 3 have some potential:

https://feathersjs.com/and postgraphile https://postgrest.com/en/v4.3/ https://www.npmjs.com/package/postgraphile

Deepstream.io is a cloud platform and opensource real-time server that provides rule based permissions, authentication and a real-time data store that can be plugged into different any database (we use Postgres under the hood for the cloud).

It provides the same name document/collection concepts, but search abilities are still under development.

Side note, Im one of the cofounders :D

Generally this move by Firebase makes a lot of sense! Building large real-time apps usually requires smaller documents or else things get super odd at scale.

If such a project were based on top of an RDBMS, would you still expect a document/KV-oriented API, or one more SQL-ish?

Honestly I don't mind. A document API with a little manipulation on the front-end would be fine, as long as the back-end has some way of running through the relations.

A SQL-ish API might even be better, although I can see some pitfalls. Maybe base it on GraphQL as a compromise?

Either way, I'd love to have something like this.

horizon.io seemed to be a promising entry, but unlike RethinkDB the database, this project appears to have died with Rethink the company.

You can use Apache usergrid or the open source version of parse for example.

I believe usergrid runs off of Cassandra and Parse runs off another NoSQL DB. Maybe Mongo?

Yep, Parse runs on Mongo.

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