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you have a hard time changing product management's mind much.

I have pity for you that you have to live with such a shitty product manager.

But don't think it reasonable to paint all PMs with that same brush.

Conversely, I could claim all developers are flat-food-eating basement dwellers who can't communicate with real humans. But that wouldn't be very fair, either.

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I don't hate PMs per se, mind you, but my experience for 15 years of career is exactly the same. I have stumbled upon exactly 2 out of 70+ PMs that actually valued programmers' opinion and used it to change project roadmaps and schedules.

...and these 2 PMs didn't last even 6 months. Higher management is not happy when its prejudiced idealistic picture of productivity and feature deliveries is challenged by reality.

A bit too cynical, I know. But it has been true in the majority of my office / freelance / consultant / remote work.

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