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Automatics are usually less efficient than manuals - the Hydraulic torque converter has to slip to function.

That said, the automatic might beat a manual in other metrics.

A modern dual-clutch automatic* switches gears so swiftly and seamlessly that there is no feeling of clutching going on at all, if not for the motor tune or the RPM indicator you wouldn't know it's changing gears. If you disregard either it almost feels as-if the car is going from 0 to 180 in one gear.

* i.e. it doesn't have a torque converter, since it basically has two separate gear sets with two separate clutches. To switch gears it seamlessly moves between gear sets via the clutches. There is no interruption in power.

Torque converts are the niche choice nowadays, a lot of modern cars have dual-clutch transmissions which are always more efficient than manuals. They use less fuel, shift quicker and commonly have more gears for less strain and better efficiency(almost all new MB cars ship with 9-gear dual clutch tranmissions nowadays for example).

But yes, after owning manuals for years I would never go back, an automatic allows you to be so much more focused on the road and enjoy it more - I love driving and have a sports car, would never ever swap the transmission in that back for a manual.

I had the reverse experience of you, that is, I always drove automatics and then learned to drive manual later on. I actually felt I was more focused on the road in the manual because I needed to plan ahead for gear shifts. In an automatic everything is taken care of so it's easier for the mind to wander. I thought I was a better driver in the manual. I guess if I drove a manual for years it would probably go on mental autopilot more.

At the end of the day I think manuals are great fun but automatics are more practical. An automatic will never stall out in a safety critical moment, as I always worried I would do in the manual. I've also pondered that if I was ever to sustain a serious injury to an arm or leg, I would probably be able to drive an automatic in an emergency. Driving stick with a broken arm would be substantially more difficult. The fuel economy advantages enjoyed by manuals seem to have dissipated at this point as well.

Modern automatics are almost always more efficient. The biggest is that the torque converter has a lockup clutch during crusing, and often more gears and a near perfect knowledge of when to shift gear.

Do they break more often too? Like TCO is higher?

Automatics in UK certainly cost more, if one doesn't ride the clutch I imagine the manual will have lower maintenance costs?

Manual has lower maintenance costs regardless. A clutch plate is about $500, an automatic transmission is between $1500 and $4000. Manual doesn't require its fluid to be changed.

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