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In a world with a $10K yearly UBI, income taxes for many people will go up by a lot more than $10K.

Maybe were talking past each other. I definitely see why someone wouldn't want to pay for the system but I took OPs comment as complaining about being given money which I cannot understand

Because they understand that someone has to pay for it, and they themselves wouldn't want to be that person? Just as you yourself pointed out?

I'm not talking about supplying the money. I'm talking about being given something. If there was a Ubi system you presumably wouldn't be able to stop paying taxes for it just because you didn't want to receive the payment, so in that case why would you be upset about receiving the payment

If someone takes $20 from you so that they can give you back $10, why would you be grateful? You don't get to separate the taking from the giving.

Again, I feel like we're talking past each other. The way I interpreted OP was him saying he didn't want the UBI payment if there was UBI implemented. If UBI is implemented you don't just get to opt out as that gets rid one of the major benefits of the system which is low administrative costs. The OP may not have meant his statement the way I interpreted it, but my interpretation of it definitely separated the taking from the giving

They won't be that person that pays for it and they're still against it! It is truly mind boggling.

If someone proposed a policy where everyone who makes under $1M gets a free sandwich, that everyone who makes over $10M pays for, the only people who sensibly should be against it are people who make over $10M or people who think they might one day make over $10M. Nobody else would ever have to pay for it--why would they be against it?

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